And it's a perfectly reasonable and valid point to make.

Hopefully the added competition will bring the best out of Bailey as he looks to secure his future beyond the 2010 season.

There's a few of your own on the thread leaving him out of your strongest 17 by the way, you might want to get yourself a nice big meal before fighting the bigots on all fronts.

I suppose we can revisit at the end of the year and check out his appearance record and lucrative new contract, I may well be proved wrong.

The squad changes. Like they all do.

Forwards are signed, forwards are released.

Players like Eastwood come in.

But they also leave (Ward/Thackary/Adamson/Poching etc).

But what has been the constant throughout these changes??

Bailey has still played.

Yes he's had better seasons than others, and played more games than other years. But the coaching staff pick him for the recent big game winners medals. He is regarded by me and by the coaching staff.

He's been with us nearly 10 years, listening to some on here you would think that.

Between you and me mate, there's a few k-nobs in 'my own'.



As for his contract - I have minimal interest in that. What he earns is what he earns. I wouldn't put my contract up here for discussion so I will offer Mr Bailey the same respect.

Appreciate all that and would remind you that I was offering an opinion as to whether Bailey will be part of a fully fit Leeds team in 2010 and whether he will get a new contract.

Not whether he is better than Wayne McDonald or Jamie Thackray or how long he has been with the club.

Sorry for extending the subject matter and offering intelligent, logical examples to back up MY point of view.

Silly me.

All very logical, but we seem to be arguing different points.

I questioned whether Bailey would be first choice at Leeds in 2010, you seem to be talking about his contribution within past and different squads (after a slight detour raging on about a James Graham tackle, Bryn Hargreaves and Paul Clough, and Maurie Fa'asavalu's nose - which I wouldn't necessarily file under "intelligent" but everyone has their own standards).

bailey is a waste of time he has a good game maybe twice a season we have better players coming through if you think its going to be baileys season then dont hold your breath , burgess is the one to look out for this year and even kyle amor?

We've been here before.

Season after season - 'will he get a game??' 'will he get a new contract?'

blah blah blah

It's boring frankly.

What my POV is looking back at was has occured before. Facts. These highlight that he has this question asked and yet he still picks up that GF ring.

Yes Eastwood is new. It's just a different name on the same variable.

Raging on??? Really?? You can't have seen 'r lass 'going 'off on one' as that is rage in the puriest - filthiest - form.

I dunno - what do you think??

Not a lot I bet.