Soward had a bad game against us, but he'd still be the best half at the club if we sign him for next year.

So we should move on from McGuire because at 33 he's too old....but we'll have Soward who'll turn 32 over the off season.

Quality half,needs quality forwards springs to mind.

The difference is McGuire has never run a team on his own for any length of time. Soward has. Soward also has a very good kicking game. When he's off he's very off, but if he's on his game he's very good. I'm not saying Soward is the messiah but he'd be a perfect foil for one of our other halfbacks IMO.

It should be pointed out that Soward's unlikely to be on much at the Broncos, and is probably just playing this year to keep fit and get experience on the coaching side.

What do they in say in Super League,he'll rip the championship up..Another who hasn't,and you think he's fit for Leeds..No wonder you are where you are..

Yawn. Soward didn't join the Broncos as part of a multi year deal to get them promoted. He joined them as he enjoyed time away from Sydney in his last brief stay, and he's probably enjoying keeping fit in relatively low-key games whilst he works out where he'll be next year. Will you still be calling him out if he signs for Leigh if you get promoted, or will he suddenly become the best 6 since John Woods?

We do have quality in the forwards, looking at our numbers we made the 3rd highest most metres so we were able to get downfield (surprising because we didn't complete too many sets and had to do a lot of defending.)

Garbutt has made more metres per game than any other prop in the league at 130m+, Galloway gets decent amounts each week. Ferres (despite his flaws of penalties and poorly judged offloads) has given us 100m+ games most of the time he's played which we didn't get from JJB, Ablett or Delaney.

Singleton had a sloppy period earlier in the year great red but is coming back well and whilst Cuthbertson hasn't hit last season's heights he's still a threat that attracts defenders.

I'm personally quite happy with our props and think Mullally can improve now we have a proper hooker (though he ran ok on Saturday but understandably looked rusty).

One issue granted is the defensive side of a few of those forwards, but that has nothing to do with "a half needs quality forwards" as that is clearly said in regards to attacking.

If your forwards can't defend effectively you concede a heap of points - which is what has happened to Leeds this year. You then spend less time with the ball which compounds an already challenging position.

All our forwards have significant defensive frailties and things will continue to be an issue unless that is addressed through individual; development and team structure. There is a reason Leeds have shipped so many points and it has nothing to do with how many metres our forwards make.

No point having a star half back if he never gets the opportunity to shine because he is stood behind the posts watching conversions

Sorry Sal but i only go off what i see with my own eyes and what i saw in some of those mid season games especially, was half assed efforts and players not playing for the coach throwing the towel in especially when games were gone early in the second half. It has been an awful season but players the likes of Ablett, Ferres, Garbutt, Cuthbertson etc... don't go from being able to shut down the best in the league to conceding 50 against Cas at home and virtual turnstiles at Warrington.

Cuthbertson
Segeyaro
Garbutt
Ablett
Ward
JJB

Galloway
Singleton
Delaney
Burrow

You telling me if we could get something like that pack on the field for long periods next year we couldn't become a much better unit and compete with the top sides again?

we did on Saturday and part timers Angus ragged

Does anyone really care about this mickey mouse middle 8s? as long as we get the 2 points each thats all that matters now, no bonus prizes for nilling a london or Batley to 70 points. i guess the players are doing just enough to see them through games against the likes of London. and without meaning to be disrespectful, sides we know we have far more quality than. The quicker we get enough points on the board and can forget about this sorry season the better imo.

There's no point over analyzing things too much. We've been woeful at times. Our defence started to look something like when lowes came back, and our go forward started to look better when segeyaro came in.

The jurys still out on next season until we know for sure the situation in key positions.