What I seem to remember from last years grand final was that they had done all there rehearsals and after match talking to be all set for Saints to win it. Seemed like they didn't have a clue what to say when Leeds won!

Over the last 4 years it can't really be argued that Saints haven't played the best rugby. They have come top of the league 4 times, and won the challenge cup 3 times in that time, with a SL win and WCC win in there as well.

Does that make them a better team? Maybe. Will that be remembered in 20 years time? nope. Leeds won the titles in 2007 & 2008. And will go down in history as the champions. Doesn't mean we are the best though in my book.

Tbh I can't remember who finished top of the league 10 years ago, can remember the grand final winners though!

Bet Saints are wishing we hadn't come along to be as good as we are as they would have cleaned up these last few years!

thats sort of the point I was trying to make. Over the course of last season, or the last 4 seasons Saints have been the best team IMO, and deserve to be held as some sort of benchmark to aspire to. We however, have more Sl trophies in that time, so also should be due some praise, and will go down in history as a more sucessful SL side.

2004 - leeds
2005 - bulls
2006 - saints
2007 - leeds
2008 - leeds

The past half decade has all been about leeds, we've had the lions share of the titles, winning 3 to saints and bulls 1. Not to mention being runners up in 05 as well.

Saints place in history over the recent time period is in the Challenge cup.

Must mean the other teams aren't worth a w@@k

Only once a year and that's if you get there.

Er no. I nag him, but don't beat him. Thanks for your concern though.

Go on then who were the Champions 10 years ago?

And no cheating. It's actually a good question to answer for our St Helens chums lurking on here given the finishing league table in 1999.

Bulls finished top and lost to Saints (who finished 2nd) in the GF.