I agree 100%, what's most noticeable is the level of improvement the Cas coaching team get out of players. McMeeken was an agressive, athletic lump but now he's the complete back rower and should be in the England World Cup squad. Hardaker has rediscovered his running game and can now make a decision close to the opponent's line. Greg Eden can actually bloody catch!

Contrast that to the Leeds squad who have forgotten how to run lines and number up in defence since 2015 and it's no surprise that our fortunes have reversed.

We could do that then because there was no promotion/relegation.
Unfortunately, the club cannot go through wholesale upheaval since that could lead to the unthinkable - the Rhinos being relegated.
However, it seems to me that we're damned if we do & damned if we don't.
Maybe, we all need to calm down a little & see how we go against the Dragons. But I fear their pack could monster ours without a massive change in attitude.

Fitter, faster and stronger by 2 country miles, meaning they absolutely dominated collisions, PTBs and therefore the game - Leeds looked like lambs to the slaughter from kick off. Throw in more skilful players, better defensive structure, better attacking structure and a better attitude, and that explains the result.
Parcell is the only one with any zip or danger, if I were him, I'd be seriously considering doing a Chicko - this team look dreadful, are dreadfully conditioned and dreadfully coached. Too many players who are either past it, or never have/never will be the required standard of a team challenging for honours, supported by no or awful structure.
Time for a big change!

What could possible be worse than last night? If we continue with that sort of performance we'll be in the Championship next year without doubt. we came might close last year and we've changed very little. Staying as is could also very easily lead to the unthinkable too.

You don't need to look far mate, still happens.

To be fair though, we really need some unity now as fans. I don't believe the people are really that stupid, except for one, and everyone if been fair realise he needs replacing. No need for us all having a go at one another, we all want the same thing.

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Last night was the most gutless performance I have witnessed in the last few years by any club. The team looked like they were ready to get back on the bus during the warm up.
The negatives are wide reaching, but for me the positives within the disaster are:
1. Jordan Lilley came on and immediately showed much bigger, stronger and more experienced players what it should mean to be on a field for this club. He was busy and barking out instructions, trying to spark something.
2. Joel Moon is different class to the rest of the team at the moment. He was guilty of trying too hard in my opinion and was making effort to do the job of 6 guys.
3. Some of the young forwards were pretty game, taking the ball in hard and sticking tackles for most of the time they were on the field.
4. Parcell got injured in the first half and still never let us down with his contribution
5. It is still only one game worth 2 points. Last couple of weeks people on here have been talking about the improved defence on last year (which I don't entirely agree with) and it is possible that it was an off day. We've had hammerings before and bounced back.

Good to see yer posting again FB

Just as a matter of interest Juan, as a huge detractor of Zak Hardaker's abilities & a huge admirer of BMD's coaching qualities, what do you make of Hardaker's magnificent passing contributions in his (only) 3 games for Cas.

To my mind, does this not disprove both your assertions ie. (a) Hardaker CAN act as a very effective link man in attack and (b) if he does have this ability, presumably BMD did not encourage him to exercise this skill in all the years under BMD's tutelage. It did not take long for a decent coach to recognise this ability.

From what I have seen of Leeds and it's players I have to agree with most of you on here. Change of coach and change of guard is needed.

Look. There are many comparisons to your current situation and our previous situation. We both had something special, a dynasty, something that is genuinely once in a lifetime. You with Sinfield, McGuire, Burrow and Peacock all firing at the same time. 2007-2015 era. But it all comes to an end. Either way you were going to be poorer after it. I just didn't expect it to be this bad.

I think McGuire needs to be your 6 this season with Lilley as your 7 from this moment on (from what I have seen playing for you and us he is one of the best young halves in England atm and game management is spot on). Yes you do have injuries at the moment but I trust your pack will get better when they return. Handley has been class for you in the past out wide. Give him a run of games?

It does seem to be a coaching problem though. On paper your team is good enough for top 4.

the last try when Shenton walked through Watkins wasn't coaching it was just lazy don't give a crap defence by some big time Charlie's who know they will be in the team next week you haven't recruited anyone other than a second rate hooker after a terrible season what did you really expect your players don't look like they are up for a fight, they expect to walk through games, but the trouble is now everyone know you are there for the taking and are rubbing there hands waiting to face you, you need an organising half a decent full back and hooker and at least 2 big props to lay a platform why you did not go out and recruit only GH knows I can not believe mac was happy with his squad

Men against boys is the best words I can use to describe the performance. Why on earth was Lilley not on at the start. Secondly what was he doing playing at Northern as the side has no real cutting edge all season. If I was neutral it was so good to see Zak back to his best, why did we let him go !!!!!!. He is the best full back in the business. It was good to see the Leeds supporters clapping him after he scored against us. I do think I was watching a different game to our coach, his interview after the game is on a par with listening to Donald Trump and the truth.

But I did hear something funny on the Princess Street stand, a certain ex Leeds player who was on the pitch yesterday is alleged to have been done for fly tipping, dumping a old fridge .