Vickery didn't let anybody down against the Storm, which is not a bad effort in his second full game. Had he been particularly poor in defence, Cronk and Smith would have targeted him all night and we'd all be talking about what a disaster he is.

I don't know why anyone would expect much more from a reserve player. Which is what he'll be if and when everybody's fit.

Was it foolhardy to rate the chances of all fourteen SL clubs before a ball was kicked in 2012 ?

Judging by the final table perhaps that should be a yes in your case. Is that really I'll happily critique players abilities and performances as the season goes on and I'll happily bestow greatness upon players when it's been earned on the pitch rather than on paper.'"

I suppose you would have to say the difference between your "2010 greatest" but trophy-less squad and the subsequent less-great-in-your-opinion, but historic trophy winning ones, is a decent coach!

He also didnt really get much ball in hand, the only real chance he had was the Mcguire pass that went out, I havent seen a replay to determine whether it was a poor pass or he over ran it.

I thought he over ran it slightly - had McGuire shot it straight to Vickery's run it would have been like the ghost of Brent Webb had never left the building.

Except that from my excellent viewpoint in the Carnegie stand it didn't look forward.

On that topic but OT from this thread, what was the difference between the pass from Tim Smith to his brother to that from Luke Robinson to McGillvray in the first half?
On tv both looked to be paseed from just about on the 10m line & caught well in front of it.
One was pulled back but the other one wasn't.
Silverwood, don't you just love him?
The call for the Smith no-try was correct by the way.

Unless both passers were stood still the lines on the pitch are fairly irrelevant to the eventual ruling - as we've discussed (and agreed) before.



I thought both decisions were correct from the coverage. Robinson was moving forward and stayed ahead of the ball at all times - at least giving the impression of a legitimate pass which I still think it was in this case.

The Smith to Smith one just looked a little wrong angle wise but there will be plenty of those that get ignored and in that sense Wakefield can feel a little aggreived that is until they benefit from one that goes their way and then it'll be all part of the game.

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Don't you find forward passes are incredibly difficult to judge from any one TV angle? The pass from acting half by Vickery to Peacock (Leeds' Jones-Buchanan scored off the next play) looked 100% forward from the gantry and yet eventually they found an angle from in front of the play the ball that made it appear perfectly OK.

The anology applied to G1's non participation in this year's Southstander League table prediction comp - any further significance is a figment of your imagination. At least you've returned for this year's comp so all's not completely lost.

Are you in the weekly prediction comp this year Juan. I'm quite happy to continue our little 'faux rivalry' in there after coming out on top last season.



In McDermott's first season at Leeds they failed to register a win of any description in any competition against one of their major rivals.

In McDermott's second season in charge they failed to register a win of any description in any competition against one of their major rivals.

Fortunately a poorly devised play-off format allowed other teams to take care of the teams Leeds apparently couldn't or perhaps couldn't be bothered with - probably too busy dying their hair that week.

Just saying, that's all.

I wonder which team will it be this season (or whether it will ever come to that with a weaker squad), I just hope it isn't Castleford.

Didn't Leeds beat Warrington and Saints in 2011 and Warrington & Wigan twice and Catalans once in 2012?

Absolutely. And a silly prediction competition has little to do with bestowing terms like "great" upon a squad of players tat haven't played yet. Different thing all together.

It is yes, yes. That and I probably had little better to do at that point last year and this year I did.

I would hate to spoil you moment of glory but I dropped out mid term last season as I missed entries for too many weeks for it to be meaningful. Afraid it will be the same this term so will give it a miss.....so you might even come out on top again!




Indeed. But all of our major rivals failed to register a win of any description against us in two out of 3 knock out competitions last season and all bar one major rival failed to register a win in the other knock out competition.