Is it also not relevant to what team they go to?

Take Matty Smith as an example. On Friday his performance was lauded by all and sundry. I don't think Smith from the performances I have seen of him this season, played any different to his normal games, which IMO have always been good. The major difference he had though, was quality players all around him. Therefore what he did had a much higher chance of success than what he was getting at Salford.

Maybe but now rumours are he's unsettled already and wants out.

Would you swap Eastmond for him?

Matty Smith is English. Saints have no room for him but not because they've signed an Aussie.

So, Salford will benefit from his services.

Completely irrelevant example, as usual.

No, it's what every team is trying to do. Do you seriously believe that a player at Wakefield, Cas, Salford, for example come over here because they believe they will be winners?

Success individually should be measured by performance individually. Therefore if a scumhalf comes over here and puts in top notch performances consistently, surely that is a success. Just because he might happen to player for a team with poor players around him, does not make him a waste.

This is a team game, not an individual.

So name one then.

Read it again. It is entirely relevant whether he is English, Australian, Chinese, or Spanish.

I take it you dissagree with the comment?

The relevance is that you are happy to accept that English players may get injured but not happy to accept that overseas players may also get injured. As Fear the V has stated, Orford has put in some good performances this season, in a woefully inadequate Bulls team, before injury finished his season. That doesn't make him a poor signing.

Burrow has been awesome (in defence) in the last few weeks but I still feel we'd be better shaped with an organiser in the halves, not 2 similar players who mainly rely on forward domination & a good off-load game. Maybe we'll hav to agree to disagree

Thought you might be lured into that.

Is Dobson not a success then? remember your measurement of success is apparently the dream team.

No, but I'd rather have Orford as 7 at Saints than Burrow - which is probably the more relevant point.

Exactly. It's just another big hole that Gareth is digging, don't worry.

We have had many quality overseas signings over, with a lot of halfbacks too. Trophies can only go to one, maximum of two teams. Not every player will be lucky enough to play for a team with that chance.

Awesome. Michael Dobson and Rangi Chase. Dobson is on his, what, 3rd SL club?

Gotcha, would you really swap him for Burrow?

Really?

fair enough. I'd have thought seeing the way he performed against your lot in last years and the 07 Grand Final you;d be more appreciative of his talents but hey ho.

Is Dobson a high profile Aussie import to begin with?

I think Leeds would be a better team with a player like Dobson than a player like Burrow. He has many skills that Burrow doesn't. Likewise Burrow offers a lot that Dobson can't. Would I have swapped the Burrow of 2003-2007? no I wouldn't, but this Burrow is not having the same effect.

In an argument for Donald been a success you used the dream team picking as proof. Are you saying that because we have proven an aussie scrumhalf as a success, that the dream team is irrelevant now?