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Quote: tvoc "Keith Senior, 35 tackles on Saturday with no misses.

Leeds have been playing him out of position all season that's all.'"

And very good at it he was too!
Too late to move him permanently this year though imo.

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Quote: king warrior "Sinfield is overated'"

Same sh#t different season but a different crank now the pies have something to shout about.

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[quote="Mark"]Great game of rugby league. Fantastic atmosphere, Wigan were breathtaking and dominant in all areas for the first 25 minutes, coupled with us making alot of dumb mistakes,then fortunately they brought McIlorum on which helped us back into the game. I thought some of the tries we scored to get us within two we're out of this world stuff. Towards the end we had to force it a little and we had a few things go wrong, i.e Monas kick on the first for King and Solomona going off who was causing havoc. Wigan were clinical in their eventual execution of us. Proud of Wire today and gave us a little glimpse to the future. Silverwood was awful as per, but I expect no less. Tomkins is a world class player and by far the best english player in SL. Wigan are a champion side and would be a worthy winner of taking our title as challenge cup. Good luck over the next month and a bit.[/quote]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_23997.jpg



Quote: rhinoms "Same sh#t different season but a different crank now the pies have something to shout about.'"
Not really fella never have rated him tbh

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your right he's rubbish. in between captaining leeds to 5 grand finals, with 4 wins, in 6 years he's done nothing

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Only thing O' loughlin is good at is swinging arms, cheap shots.

Oh and no real creativity, how many goals has he kicked this year, not in the same class as sinfield overall, just what does he bring to the pies ?????? and or the super league in fact sorry if this is harsh but face facts he is just a meter maker and not avery good one at that.

captaining leeds to 5 grand finals, with 4 wins, in 6 years he's done nothing has he, something O'Looughlin can only ever dream about. FACT

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[quote="Mark"]Great game of rugby league. Fantastic atmosphere, Wigan were breathtaking and dominant in all areas for the first 25 minutes, coupled with us making alot of dumb mistakes,then fortunately they brought McIlorum on which helped us back into the game. I thought some of the tries we scored to get us within two we're out of this world stuff. Towards the end we had to force it a little and we had a few things go wrong, i.e Monas kick on the first for King and Solomona going off who was causing havoc. Wigan were clinical in their eventual execution of us. Proud of Wire today and gave us a little glimpse to the future. Silverwood was awful as per, but I expect no less. Tomkins is a world class player and by far the best english player in SL. Wigan are a champion side and would be a worthy winner of taking our title as challenge cup. Good luck over the next month and a bit.[/quote]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_23997.jpg



Quote: rhinogonemad "Only thing O' loughlin is good at is swinging arms, cheap shots.

Oh and no real creativity, how many goals has he kicked this year, not in the same class as sinfield overall, just what does he bring to the pies ?????? and or the super league in fact sorry if this is harsh but face facts he is just a meter maker and not avery good one at that.

captaining leeds to 5 grand finals, with 4 wins, in 6 years he's done nothing has he, something O'Looughlin can only ever dream about. FACT'"
He doesn't kick for us do you want to get into a points argument between our 2 kickers cause there will be only 1 winner

Says something when he could only get into the england team in a position he doesn't play

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Quote: king warrior "He doesn't kick for us do you want to get into a points argument between our 2 kickers cause there will be only 1 winner

Says something when he could only get into the england team in a position he doesn't play'"


Sorry King Warrior I wasn't comparing goal kickers just pointing out what sinny brings to the team/game that Mr O'Loughlin clearly does not, please enlighten us to the qualities of your number 13, as I just cant see them and would further question his inclusion inthe dream team, not that I am saying sinny deserves to be in it as he does not he has been way below his normally high standards in all aspects of his game eusa_think.gif

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[quote="Mark"]Great game of rugby league. Fantastic atmosphere, Wigan were breathtaking and dominant in all areas for the first 25 minutes, coupled with us making alot of dumb mistakes,then fortunately they brought McIlorum on which helped us back into the game. I thought some of the tries we scored to get us within two we're out of this world stuff. Towards the end we had to force it a little and we had a few things go wrong, i.e Monas kick on the first for King and Solomona going off who was causing havoc. Wigan were clinical in their eventual execution of us. Proud of Wire today and gave us a little glimpse to the future. Silverwood was awful as per, but I expect no less. Tomkins is a world class player and by far the best english player in SL. Wigan are a champion side and would be a worthy winner of taking our title as challenge cup. Good luck over the next month and a bit.[/quote]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_23997.jpg



Quote: rhinogonemad "Sorry King Warrior I wasn't comparing goal kickers just pointing out what sinny brings to the team/game that Mr O'Loughlin clearly does not, please enlighten us to the qualities of your number 13, as I just cant see them and would further question his inclusion inthe dream team, not that I am saying sinny deserves to be in it as he does not he has been way below his normally high standards in all aspects of his game
There are 2 positions i'd change in that dream team and is senior for atkins and roby for eith piggy or monaghan

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Just about ok with choices but 2 positions puzzle me:-

Has Tomkins really been better than McGuire this season?

Is Wellens the best FB in the country?

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Quote: king warrior "Well we all have opinions and if you cant see what locky does for us it's not worth explaing

There are 2 positions i'd change in that dream team and is senior for atkins and roby for eith piggy or monaghan'"



and if you can't see what a guy who has captained a team to 4 Gf wins can do for us you don't know much about rl

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Quote: tad rhino "and if you can't see what a guy who has captained a team to 4 Gf wins can do for us you don't know much about rl'"


For me he is a good club man and great kicker, He would never get a look in for England if he was playing for the likes of Cas or Quins though for example, he reminds me of Deacon with just a bit more pace and size.

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Quote: king warrior "There are 2 positions i'd change in that dream team and is senior for atkins and roby for eith piggy or monaghan'"


I suppose if you ignore the fact that:

Roby has scored 6 times as many tries as Piggy
Roby has created 6 times as many tries as Piggy
Roby makes twice as many carries for over 1m per carry more than Piggy
Roby averages over 30% more tackles a game and misses fewer of them than Piggy
Roby makes 6 times more offloads as Piggy
Roby makes 4 times as many tackle busts as Piggy
Roby makes 4 times as many clean breaks as Piggy
Roby has kicked 40/20 and Piggy hasn't
Roby gives away fewer penalties than Piggy

then you have a great point there.

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It seems to me that O'Loughlin is (just as Sinfield tends to be) underestimated by opposition fans.

He's had a very good year and fully deserves his selection IMO.

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Quote: Inflatable_Armadillo "Myler should stay at home and Dobson should get his squad place.'"


Is that the Australian Michael Dobson who currently plays for Hull KR. Have I missed something?

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Quote: rhinogonemad "Only thing O' loughlin is good at is swinging arms, cheap shots.

Oh and no real creativity, how many goals has he kicked this year, not in the same class as sinfield overall, just what does he bring to the pies ?????? and or the super league in fact sorry if this is harsh but face facts he is just a meter maker and not avery good one at that.

captaining leeds to 5 grand finals, with 4 wins, in 6 years he's done nothing has he, something O'Looughlin can only ever dream about. FACT'"


This year O'loughlin in 3 more games has significantly bettered Sinfield in the following:
Tries
Try assists
Metres
Tackles
Tackle busts
marker Tackles

He has made slightly more errors and penalties given away (in more games)

And has missed fewer tackles and had fewer yellow cards.

Oh and he has missed fewer goal kicks as well!

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Quote: tvoc "It seems to me that O'Loughlin is (just as Sinfield tends to be) underestimated by opposition fans.

He's had a very good year and fully deserves his selection IMO.

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Is that the Australian Michael Dobson who currently plays for Hull KR. Have I missed something?'"


Agree entirely.

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