Unless you are vegan like me and like oat milk far more than cows!

Kristan Woolf is so good at Saints that if Grace and Makinson are ever out Alex Walmsley is fully prepared, primed and ready to cover either wing spot at the drop of a hat.

Its called multi skilling Agar. When did Mikolaj last put a grubber in at training ffs? If Tetevano hasnt used his ban to learn the full back role im gonna be absolutely fuming.

Look at Wigan as a prime example, they trained Tony Clubb up for years to have a kicking game and when the chance came to put a bomb up in a Grand Final he took it with ease.

The fact that neither Rhyse Martin or Kruise Leeming was nowhere near Brett Kenny standard after a training session says all we need to know about Agar.

Marty is not fair to say that even given the context (which I think most accept) many player performances have not been up to scratch the last 2 games? Even Agar alludes to this. Ie discipline and unforced errors as a responsibility fall outside the issue of players missing. You’re talking about context but not getting the context of others concerns and you don’t need to exaggerate to make your point it just gets silly.

Fair point but I think Mellor defending as a centre should really have the impact of Harry Kane playing in goals? These are professional players - Tom Briscoe letting every winger he comes against beat him on the outside isn't a defensive structural issue.

That still doesn't excuse poor execution of basic skills and terrible on field discipline - Myler being but one example.

Of course - but the coach has stated in post match interviews that senior players are not performing - attitude is bad - all the above is a smokescreen for what is really going on - is the coach getting the best out of the available players - now take your blinkers off and answer honestly.

Neither Martin nor Leeming should be anywhere near a top 4 side - that's why there at Leeds - Martin could at least get fit.

Leeming, who’s just been called into the England squad? That Leeming?

You think the players attitude is bad? I dont see that at all. Other than KR, which was poor, i cant say the players have lacked effort, far from it. I see a team giving all it has most weeks. Certainly a lack of quality in certain areas but absolutely not a lack of attitude. Jeez the performance at Saints was equal of any grand final win in terms of grit and determination.

Sundays game was poor quality and frustrating but certainly not down to attitude in my opinion.

I do believe Gale, Tetevano and Myler are important players for us and any team would struggle minus 3 big players. When they return along with Lui, Newman, Holroyd, Smith etc we will be fine but that comes down to expectation doesnt it?

I honestly think people on here expect this team to be as good as the golden team, that isnt fair and isnt realistic. Those daya are gone. With a full team we are capable of pushing for 4th along with a few other teams such as Hull, Wire, Catalans etc. Thats where we are.

Everytime we lose its Agar out which again comes down to expectations. We arent a grand final team yet, those days are over for now as i say. Is he the man to lead us back there? Probably not. Is he a steady hand to guide us on the right path right now? I believe so.

Weve had so many injuries in key positions that i think we all agree its a difficult, nigh on impossible, job for any coach at the minute. Lets see how team does in a few week.

And look at last season. Would anyone have believed we would win a trophy at start of season...?

We have no divine right to win Grand Finals. Worth remembering that after Saints won in 2006 they had to wait seven years to lift the trophy again. That's a short break compared to Wigan's 12 year drought after winning it 1998. We'll get a lot better when our key players are back and then it's up to the management to find the talent to put us at the top table again.

Also if we look at the list of CC winners since Sheffield won it. All very good teams. Is not an easy comp to win. That semi vs Wigan as as good a performance as any of the GF triumphs imo...we are moving on a, good direction.....

Winning the CC last year was wonderful, but we played well in one game leading up to it (really well), and then jagged the final against a spirited Salford in a match that could have gone the other way.

Winning games isn't a black and white thing; sport is inherently unpredictable. What Leeds need to do is assemble a squad that is capable of beating the top sides more often than not. The Goldens didn't win every game (by a long chalk), or even every big game.

The club is making the right noises if they have sights on 3 more quality signings. Will we need a new coach for 2022? Maybe. What I do know is that for me, excuses do run out next year and we have the resources to make a challenge for top 4 again by then, with the young lads another season developed and a some more quality added in.

i'm all for an easy cup draw and my old man was all for beating the good teams early and 99 we beat wigan , sts and bradford continuing what we'd built in 98 you'd do better comparing his successor who got to the final playing poorly

I wouldnt compare anyone to Muzza's successor. Least said about him the better really.

we have an agreement

Spot on!