I had the missfortune of watching a game a few years ago Leeds/Gloucester,it totally numbed my senses,no fluidity at all,too many stopagess a total waste of a Sunday afternoon,luckilly i did'nt pay as i got complimentary tickets.

From what I could tell it was the in-house production as it didn't have any of the Sky logos on - very good quality

It all depends on what you want to watch, if you appreciate the rucks/mauls/scrums for what they are and when you understand why a back player cannot be caught in possession in his own quarter then you'll start to "get" the difference - while you are forever comparing it to RL then you'll never understand.

To be fair some Ru games are fairly interesting, the majority are dull. The problem with watching Leeds are that they are really bad and are neither good ie getting results or entertaining to watch

I can quite happily watch both codes, and appreciate both games for what they are, but Leeds were dire yesterday
Still...hopefully if Otley stay up it'll mean a local derby again

I think it's fair to say Carnegie have lost their paddle

seen a few Carnegie games this season (Stade Francais, Parma & Gloucester) and only against Parma did they look dominant and a good outfit (probably the opposition helped)

Neil Back and his not so merry bunch of slackers, totally devoid of ideas, a total disgrace to the city of Leeds and not fit to play on the hallowed turf @ HQ.

You do wonder about the longer term future for Carnegie, even if by some miracle they do manage to escape relegation this season.

They can't hold on to their best young players - today Kearnan Myall has announced he's off to Sale at the end of the season and Luther Burrell has rejected the offer of a new contract.

Add that to the likes of Dan Scarborough, Tom Biggs, Danny Care, Jordan Crane, Callum Clark, Tom Palmer and Stuart Hooper and they could have been in a much stronger position had they been able to retain some of the talent they have produced rather than have it move elsewhere.

They seem destined to a future of swapping divisions and acting as a feeder club for other Premiership teams.

Does the relegated team get a parachute payment?

IIRC they do and Leeds were making noises about keeping the squad together even if they got relegated, but it's easier said than done. Even last year when they avoided relegation, they still lost Callum Clark and Seru Rabeni.

Every offseason seems to be another rebuilding job in terms of the squad, scratching around the bargain bins to put a side together.

That would make Leeds Carnegie the RU equivalent of Sheffield Eagles under Gary Hetherington.

I hope the long term future Leeds Carnegie is away from Headingley. Ideally the Carnegie will get closed down.

Ideally not, they've been very useful in terms of costs towards the ground and training facility. However I had heard that Caddick is tempted to throw in the towel with Carnegie altogether if they get relegated again but that there will certainly be a big reduction in the extent to which he funds them. So it could mean almost a permanent move back to the 2nd division of rugby union for Leeds.

Careful what you wish for as the RFU currently coughs up about £1-1.5million quid towards the running costs of the academy at Kirkstall

Really? I'd be very suprised since it costs about £3.50 to run Kirkstall, especially now they've got rid of John Ahm & Colin.I think that figure was towards the cost of building it in the first place.