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Quote: tvoc "Thank you for explaining how the top 8 play-offs don't work.

Perhaps a discussion best left until nearer the time.'"


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Quote: Era of the Biff "Sounds like an under the table deal to me.

I hope not.'"


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Did they change the name of the Play-offs to payoffs when it became an 8 team contest?

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Ok… for those who don’t know how the Payoff system works.

The Team that come top doesn’t have to make any payoff and has the choice of ref for their next game
The 2nd team have the choice of which of the remaining refs.
Third team can chose their ref from the remaining pot OR they can offer a Payoff (sometime referred to as a ‘backhander’) to chose the ref that the 2nd team chose and also allocate another ref of their choosing to team 2 – the ref chosen by the first team is safe.
The team who came forth can then choose any remaining refs OR offer a bigger payoff than team 3 but if they do chose the payoff option they do not know how big a payoff was offered by team 3 so have to try and trump it – failer to offer a bigger payoff will result in having Silverwood.

Simples

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Quote: tvoc "Thank you for explaining how the top 8 play-offs don't work.

Perhaps a discussion best left until nearer the time.'"




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well we know the rfl is on GH's payroll, so it is kind of apt.

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Leeds will win every payoff game every year as they have done since the war, for as everyone from every hick town east or west of our city knows, Leeds are the wealthiest, most Jewish, most despised club in the RFL, its just so, it comes with the territory, we poach talented young players from local clubs, we bribe referees, we ARE the RFL, we pay four times the wages that other clubs pay and we offer prostitutes on demand to our rising young stars, maybe I shouldn't have mentioned the prostitutes.

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Sorry Play offs........................ and these assumptions are after the elimination rounds

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Quote: Tingley Rhino "

You said it.

Quote: Tingley Rhino "Sorry Play offs........................ and these assumptions are after the elimination rounds'"


The only game after the elimination rounds is the GF.

By your own assumed final four in the order you place them, Wigan couldn't select Warrington under the present system so why do you think they would select a team they are prevented from choosing?

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[b:1swa1vwo]Change is inevitable ...except from a vending machine![/b:1swa1vwo] [quote="BillyRhino":1swa1vwo]So in best IA mode ..<.Possibley World Class, could be the greatest thing since sliced bread....am personally very excited, and confidently expect him to prove my predictions are bang on target.... Alternatively he could be rubbish> IA mode off. :wink:[/quote:1swa1vwo]:33791.jpg



Quote: Tingley Rhino "I know after yesterdays results it will be harder to peg back Saints in the table but after the elemination rounds assuming the top four finished...........


Wigan
Wire
Leeds
Saints

Who would Wigan pick ? Almost certainly Warrington IMO of course ? This would Leave Leeds at home to Saints in the semi.

Only time and form will tell but could yesterdays result have a bigger impact on our season than we think ?'"


Christ, where to start with you!

Firstly, does that even look like a likely top 4 order at the moment... not to me! Any of the top three could finish in 1st but I suspect that the number one slot is out of reach from 4th spot down.

So, lets look at a more likely order, given current positions -

Wigan
Warrington
Saints
Leeds (Sorry Hull!)

So top half play-off week 1 is Wigan v Leeds & Warrington v Saints. Wigan (as the top side) only get to pick their week 3 opponents if they beat Leeds in week 1. If they lose, the whole thing about picking anybody goes out the window and it is only the team in 1st that ever get to chose if they get directly through to week 3... you got that, good!

So lets say Wigan win at home week 1, they go through to week 3 and get to chose who they play... but whom? Well they can chose anybody they like other than the side that also win in the top half of the table (so in our example, not Warrington or Saints) in week 1!

...tvoc is right... lets leave this for play-offs... I will just have to do this all again then anyway!

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[b:1swa1vwo]Change is inevitable ...except from a vending machine![/b:1swa1vwo] [quote="BillyRhino":1swa1vwo]So in best IA mode ..<.Possibley World Class, could be the greatest thing since sliced bread....am personally very excited, and confidently expect him to prove my predictions are bang on target.... Alternatively he could be rubbish> IA mode off. :wink:[/quote:1swa1vwo]:33791.jpg



Quote: tvoc "By your own assumed final four in the order you place them, Wigan couldn't select Warrington under the present system so why do you think they would select a team they are prevented from choosing?'"


Not wishing to upset you but also not wishing to miss the very rare opportunity to catch you out... in a nice way of course! icon_wink.gif

Wigan could pick Warrington (based on Thingly Rhinos predictions for final four) if of course Wigan win and Warrington lose in Week 1. Warrington have to come the long way round and could get picked by Wigan for week 3 semi!

I am not sure now whether I feel smug or a little dirty for doing this to you!

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Quote: Inflatable_Armadillo "Not wishing to upset you but also not wishing to miss the very rare opportunity to catch you out... in a nice way of course!
We have a difference of opinion on the context of the opening post.

I took it to be a hypothetical representation of the top four (in order) at Week 3 of the Play-Offs. Wigan and Warrington being depicted as the Week 1 winners and Leeds and St Helens as the survivors from the knock out matches in Week 2. The only previous experience of the top 8 system being operated in SL showed that the teams finishing 3rd and 4th at the end of the Regular Rounds failed to get past Week 2. The only stage at which there would be a definitive four clubs remaining, at the point where the club choice would be activated, is at the commencement of Week 3.

In that instance (and the poster appears to confirm that as his intention, both in the opening post and in a later contribution) then Wigan could not select their fellow week 1 winners which I presumed to be Warrington in the hypothetical example he set out.

If I've misunderstood the scenario offered then it wouldn't be the first time I've done so but it wouldn't be as a result of failing to comprehend how the Play-Offs operate. eusa_naughty.gif

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Quote: Tingley Rhino "

Oh dear.

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[b:1swa1vwo]Change is inevitable ...except from a vending machine![/b:1swa1vwo] [quote="BillyRhino":1swa1vwo]So in best IA mode ..<.Possibley World Class, could be the greatest thing since sliced bread....am personally very excited, and confidently expect him to prove my predictions are bang on target.... Alternatively he could be rubbish> IA mode off. :wink:[/quote:1swa1vwo]:33791.jpg



Quote: tvoc "We have a difference of opinion on the context of the opening post.

I took it to be a hypothetical representation of the top four (in order) at Week 3 of the Play-Offs. Wigan and Warrington being depicted as the Week 1 winners and Leeds and St Helens as the survivors from the knock out matches in Week 2. The only previous experience of the top 8 system being operated in SL showed that the teams finishing 3rd and 4th at the end of the Regular Rounds failed to get past Week 2. The only stage at which there would be a definitive four clubs remaining, at the point where the club choice would be activated, is at the commencement of Week 3.

In that instance (and the poster appears to confirm that as his intention, both in the opening post and in a later contribution) then Wigan could not select their fellow week 1 winners which I presumed to be Warrington in the hypothetical example he set out.

If I've misunderstood the scenario offered then it wouldn't be the first time I've done so but it wouldn't be as a result of failing to comprehend how the Play-Offs operate.
I did think in actual fact that you were probably looking at this from exactly the context and perspective you have described above... but I still found it hard to resist not posting something. icon_wink.gif a014.gif

I don't think he meant what I thought I knew you meant and you then described above... still, lets just get on with finishing in bloody 4th first!

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Quote: Inflatable_Armadillo "I did think in actual fact that you were probably looking at this from exactly the context and perspective you have described above... but I still found it hard to resist not posting something.
I'd only really be upset with myself if I posted an incorrect Leeds stat. icon_wink.gif

If someone picked one of those up I'd be devastated. It almost happened once - finglas was the poster, Mick Potter's coaching record V Leeds was the subject. I was partially crushed but just about managed to pull myself together.

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