So you want the same man who appointed the previous 4 coaches who didn't work out, to appoint another one? Genius.

I'm not saying RS is the man for the job at Leeds right now, I have been scratching my head at times at some of his in-game decisions. I think the whole "passive defence" bandwagon has been overblown - that's not why we lost against Wire or against Hudds in my opinion (although we are losing the ruck too often in D and attack).

Was interesting watching the two teams warm up on Friday. We do some stuff running through pads and passing on the other side. Hudds were all practising passing from the floor, skill work, and then rucks. They practiced putting the attacker on their back, and then twisting out and finding the floor when in possession.

Now I'm sure all sides practice similar drills, but we definitely lost the ruck too much and I think we do generally. This is an area where big Mik could improve for example, he constantly gets turtled and then his PTB is painfully slow.

That comment wasn't particularly aimed at you Exiled, your post popped up before I'd posted mine.

Just on average players though, we have brought some decent players in under Smith in truth. No enough, and not always in the right positions, but some decent ones. McDonnell had a really good game first half against Hudds and was cleaning everything up, then when he switched to centre got done for footwork and pace a couple of times by a decent opposition centre. Thought Roberts had a really solid game too (he's only 20!!) until bad dropped ball right at the end there.

Dunno like I keep saying, we look 2-3 star signings short of a reliably competitive side still, but fixing up the mess from last year was likely always going to take a couple of years. IF (and it is a big if), we can get those 2-3 signings in who are good enough and in key areas, and IF some of our younger / project players can show progression over the next 8 months, I still think we'll be there or thereabouts next season.

I've not watched the Hudds game back yet but we did lose our first choice right hand side after about 20 mins in practice, with no backs on the bench. There was some mitigation for the loss; but I still think certain players need to improve.

Flex - you're spot on. Right now there are three teams better than us, which we know because they've beaten us at home. Wigan almost certainly are some way ahead as they are possibly the best team in the comp. So on form we're fifth at best. We look like losing games against any team who is in form, and the way we play risks playing poorer teams into form. Until reality bit about two thirds of the way through last season it was all near misses and coulda shoulda won, until it was too late.

That's why I'm with exiled - I thought Smith was given an unfair ride last year because of the really awful mess he was trying to clean up. Sadly though we look no better, and taking into account the money spent we are playing much worse.

Its time to stop talking about rebuilding. We're not even dreaming Wire style of this being 'our year', but some unknown future year. I'm all for having a plan and sticking to it, but not when it seems to be going so shambolically on the field where it counts. At some stage you have to admit something's not working and make a change.

GH isn't going anywhere, so yes kaeru, its up to him to make the change. Also you say that the passive defence is overblown then go into detail about why we're losing collisions and position. Its all basic stuff, and you cannot win the majority of games when you're badly losing the territory battle, regardless of the cause. If the coach isn't responsible for that who is?

Smith was given. An 'unfair ride' last season despite the challenges he either created or was dealt, because despite any mitigation it was painfully obvious that he wasn't and isn't the right coach to take us forward.

If this is a response to my post as the one before this one, I mentioned those poorer sides because another poster claimed this was the worst Leeds side since 1978. It is not.

Like it or not, the competition is totally different to 97-98. Back then all it took was a very astute coaching appointment, a handful of signings and GH buying out half of Keighley and we waltzed straight back into the top 2. And let's not forget that we could only keep Murray for two years, after which he left us in a mess and took our best forward to the NRL.

The only club that have done anything approaching this recently is Leigh, and look where they are now - only 'semi competent' according to your analysis.

We don't know yet how good or bad this side is. We're in 8th now, but the season isn't decided after 8 rounds. Most of the teams above us have played and beaten Hull and London. Knowing Leeds we will lose one or both of these games because confidence is bottoming out again, but they could equally be opportunities to rebuild a bit of belief in the team and go on a winning run.

Given the changes made to the team, it was always going to take time to gel. Things were looking promising until we had a spell of tough games against Saints, at which point the belief of some players seemed to evaporate. Aspects of recent performances aren't acceptable for a big club like Leeds, but I'm wary of a knee-jerk decision that will undo green shoots that GH seems to think are visible behind the scenes at the club.

I understand the knee-jerk perception, and I'd love us not to have to rip up part of the plan and start again. But the fact is we're 8th in the comp after a huge outlay on players - in fact very similar to 97. We've seen very little sign of that investment giving us a big jump in results, as we saw immediately in 97. I don't think anyone expected us to win the comp this year, but right now the signs just are not good.

It is of course possible that we'll turn things around, but after a 2 week break from a disappointing series of results I think most of us wanted to see more than another game where we play well for half a match and then a shambles in the other. There's a little light now in facing teams in consecutive weeks we should be able to beat, and maybe that will start to build confidence? But last year we got the odd win that seemed to suggest better days, only to fall in a heap the following week. My issue is that we again seem so poor at the fundamentals of low errors, winning collisions and winning territory. If we keep doing that I don't see anything approaching a turnaround happening.

I’m not one for booing or slating players at the match, and I don’t see that changing. But for the first time I can remember, I went to Friday’s game not really caring whether we won or lost. How has it come to that so early in the season ? I walked up the hill after the game with a feeling of resignation, not anger or hurt. Is there something inside me wanting this to get a whole lot worse because that’s the only way things can realistically get better ? For me it feels like the season is already over if we carry on with the same manager employing the same tactics. The next two games don’t give me the feeling they are fixtures to “build confidence”, they are an easier way to gain two points than other fixtures, simple as that.

Sadly it’s crossed my mind that the Hull match may not be a nailed on win. Face value shouldn’t be a problem, however Hull will be up for this game plus Myler will know exactly our strengths and weaknesses.

Yes, Sutcliffe will no doubt be amongst the scorers, with a section of our support suggesting he shouldn't have been allowed to leave. At least one loss in the next two games feels like it is on the cards.

Smith won some admirers in his brief time at Bradford when the team played some nice rugby but it unraveled in the big games when his tactics fell short. He was gone when we went into admin. He's been around the scene in Australia at a few clubs but never seemed to get a mention when an NRL job was available. I heard that his nickname was "the myth". So when he turned up at Leeds I had some reservations but the side did well initially and it looked like a decent appointment.

Unfortunately things have gone backwards since then and that's not a good sign. Usually you expect a bit of a bounce at first then a short period of recalibration before more improvement as the coach builds a roster of players he wants and a good culture.

He's a tetchy personality (like Tony and Brian) and I'm not sure that he's got the substance to get away with that. Recruitment doesn't seem to make sense to me. Why sign the injury prone Fusitua, allow Hall to leave then bring him back aged 37? Why not prioritise signings in the pack? It's all very well signing halfbacks and wing threequarters but without a platform they're not going to shine. You need a platform first.

That sort of approach seems to be mirrored in the way Leeds play which to me looks very "loose". There's a lack of intensity or consistency or any recognition that you need to roll your sleeves up and do the dirty work to earn the right to play the fancy stuff. This is just my impression. You lot watch them more than me.

Leeds need a coach who can inspire players and who has a track record. Someone that players want to play for and work hard for. They don't need a matey approach and they don't want someone who plays mind games.

Bang on Bullseye.

Really? Not sure Myler knows anything about Leeds weaknesses or strengths as he always seemed to play his own game for his own benefit under the auspices of his partners father who had much clout in the Boardroom. I cannot see what value Myler will bring to a troubled club like Hull who need help.
I might be wrong but if he does have any hidden talent at all why didn’t the mighty Hetherington onboard Myler to the Rhinos board?

Just a question not a request for persecution from the rat pack on here

Presumably he trained with the squad, so he will be aware as to how smith wants teams to play. Blake Austin made some relevant remarks on social media regarding how Smith wants his half backs to play.

I agree with a Bradford fan.
RS really has crossed a line this time

You are right but unfortunately there is a very true saying. “ NO ONE IS AS DEAF AS THE MAN WHO DOES NOT WANT TO HEAR”

Hetherington does not want to hear because he is arrogant, thinks he knows better than everyone else but most importantly knows the club is never going to be under financial threat because the owners are wealthy and have deep pockets. If he was given an objective to increase customer satisfaction that results in 10% season ticket growth year on year without reducing prices or giving season tickets away he would be dismissed after one year. The man is a joke and a has been. No other club in SL has a Buffoon leading an incompetent Ie Smith