Jesus, they are so hit and miss his posts.

Would Hall or Briscoe have give us an improvement on Handley? no they wouldn't. Infact Hall was a massive liability before his injury.

Would Moon have been an improvement on Keinhorst last few games? Not he wouldn't.

Ablett has played enough games this year, and the results or performance have not changed.

We are certainly missing McGuire and Ward, who would have been an improvement on there replacements, but that is it. And not sure either would have made diddly squat difference to most of the majority of the losses.

No leadership is a serious issue, pointed out by some before the season, and again is not relevant to injuries though, as we don't have it.

He'd have been an improvement on Watkins though, on current form.

Don't dissagree. But lets be honest about it, he wouldn't have replaced him would he?

Probably not but we could then put Keinhorst to 2nd row instead of Achurch.

IF we select on form alone then Achurch Watkins & Hall would be playing for Fev.

You're going on the basis that their poor form would've definitely continued, which it MIGHT have done but by no means a guarantee. Burrow was dire earlier in the year but has put in some good showings recently. Garbutt is improving from his early form and despite the criticism I think Galloway has improved. Very possible some of our absentees would've picked up their form if they weren't injured.

There is no criticism of the effort for the most part - there are players who appear to not giving 100% or not performing as they should - Achurch, Watkins, Galloway are these really showing a hunger/desire/will to win?

Why are the players knackered they have played less than half a season - a disrupted pre-season yes but by now they should be hitting their straps in terms of match fitness.

How many players on Friday were playing injured - Hardaker irresponsible to play him imo, they dropped Singleton to play Cuthbertson so you can only assume he was fit.

On McDermott - I don't see a logical game plan - it may be boring but dumb the plan down to trying to gain territory - all this off the cuff stuff is OK when you have all guns firing. The less said about the defensive structures and the lack of desire to defend the line the better.

Leadership is a huge issue - on Friday Cuthbertson and Ferris as experienced players let their team mates down and need a word in their ear during the game - there is trying and there is headless plays both these players came up with far too many of the latter. Leeds are compounding their other issues with suicidal plays on the field.

That is a difficult conundrum - Handley imo has been excellent and doesn't deserve to lose his place until he shows a significant deterioration in form.

It could be that some players just aren't as good as they looked in a winning side with Sinfield and Peacock at its heart?

Even if you keep Handley on one wing their's still another wing. I believe Hall will be fit before Briscoe, despite Hall's poor form earlier in the year wouldn't you pick him ahead of Golding for the other wing spot hoping that his enforced absence/break could've been just what he needed.

Walters retiring speed is appalling; it worries me every time he's involved in a tackle that if he's not a marker then there'll be a massive gap in the defensive line.

Agreed - providing his enforced lay off means he can still get his shirt on

Only Leeds fans could look at an injury list that has robbed us of (on average) 7 of our first choice 17 every week and claim that it should have zero bearing on the results.

It's not just the players that are missing - and let's not pretend they're not huge misses, players that most of the league would sign in a heartbeat if they became available - it's that as a result other players are having to play when they're not fully fit, fill in in positions that aren't their best and try to learn a new way of playing (a post-Sinfield way) with a constantly changing team made up of whoever's fit and missing the core of the title winning side. No Hall or Briscoe means our back three who did so much damage last year are now a back one. Other people are having to try to do those yards, that means they're not in position to do other things. No McGuire means we lose the vast majority of the attacking structure and control we'd been working on, not to mention his passing and short kicking game. But no, none of that could possibly have an impact on the season.

Yes we should be doing better, obviously we should, but let's stop blaming Mac or a lack of effort and acknowledge that there have been some remarkably extenuating circumstances. Let's see how we get on when we can field anything that resembles a first choice team/squad.

Let's not pretend that Leeds are the only club suffering large quantities of key players, let's not pretend Leeds are the only side having to adjust to new structures due to personnel changes.

Let's mot pretend Leeds have handle this well - Leeds have handle this common set of circumstances worse than any side in SL.