Does it? Im not sure it does. Outside Fages tackle count i thought Sutcliffe was the best half on the pitch. As i said, Saints were incredibly disciplined defensively and the game was very very tight. Same game, another day, we win. Most games, we play like that, we win. If leigh defend like they did against Cas and we play how we did, we win comfortably.

I disagree. neither leeds half back created a thing and the attacking kicks, mainly which were by burrow, were dreadful

Both Leeds half backs were abysmal. They didn't have an ounce of creativity within them.

I certainly agree that performances like that against less defensively disciplined opposition will probably lead to more wins than losses and Saints deserve some credit for that, but in general we offered very little in the final twenty, there was the little drop off play to a half, trying to barge over one or two out from the ruck, and in general little imagination. That, (apart from coaching) falls to the halves. Like I said Sutty also got caught ball in hand a fair few times on the 5th when we should have been looking to kick and turn the screw.

It was poor, and maybe the inability to finish the set properly cost us the game, but the responsibility for that doesn't/shouldn't lie solely with Sutty.

i think there is a strong argument that we decided to run it on the last as a tactic to limit the amount of 7tackle sets given away. I would however agree that our last tackle options arent our strongest part of the game and werent last week.

I also dont think we werent creative, i think we were far more creative than Saints, we had Watkins getting through a couple of times, Sutty backing up, the disallowed try, the play that went from the middle to the right wing, all the way back across the left, all the way back across to the right and must have been about 20 passes and included a lovely flat pass from Sutcliffe to Watkins, then a massive booming pass again from Sutcliffe, Parcell got a few half-breaks,

Its interesting that in a game where we only scored one try and our last tackle options sucked, that the senior halfback on the field hasn't received anywhere near as much stick as Sutcliffe. Surely if Sutcliffe was struggling it should be up to Burrow to step up and take over?

I'm not defending Sutcliffe BTW. He was poor.

The whole spine lacks creativity, Parcell seems to be mainly a runner and Golding was good in defence but anonymous in attack, we probably would have scored more had Suttcliffe played there as he offers an extra pivot in attack.

but would probably have conceded 3 more due to his defence

Parcell looked as creative as you can be from dummy half. Our problem, yet again, we're completely reliant on McGuire being fit, and in form.

We also need a full back who can act as a pivot, so I agree re Sutcliffe

so drop last weeks man of the match and play an uncreative player in Sutcliffe who's, who looks out of form and who has never looked anything but average at full back?

Like many I expected Sutty to spend the pre season improving his positioning and goal line defence and be our first choice full back.
I wasn't surprised when Golding turned out at #1 and always thought he looks abit shaky, but after his performance at Saints he has earned the FB position. It's his to lose now, Though with this coach who knows.

As for early comments about Sutty getting more grief than the more senior Burrow I think that's because people don't see him as a HB anymore. He's been a back up hooker (sadly) for so long.

He can still find a gap and occasionally gets through one but the speed to really exploit his size and agility just isn't there anymore.
We have four half backs on the team sheet. Two are basically runners with average passing game, ones a patched up runner with a short kicking game of sorts and the last is a very slow organizing HB shipped out to Bradford.

ATM I think our best pairing is Mags and Lilley but the coach seems to have no faith in Lilley and a need to get Burrow in every game.

Interesting reading all this commentary back now we've neared the end of the season. To think after what was a dreary affair we're now second. Castleford are running away with it, but just interesting to see how much people's opinions have changed since the first round!