Its a vicious circle isn't it, and unless it is broken we keep going round it. The broken is probably the route they should have taken. I think you are missing the point here, that it seems JJB was a problem, not an "alleged" problem, for Furner, and was the problem of that run of defeats you state against the coach.

JJB was not a problem for 20 years, but then suddenly the reason we lost 10 out of 14 games last year? seems JKB is now the scapegoat of choice.

Let's take Alex Ferugson as an example - his first year at Utd wasn't great and there were a number of established players with big egos. The board backed him over the players and look what happened. At Leeds it seems there is too much power in the hands of the players - McDermott suffered from that and you have to wonder if that was also a JJB doing. Yes he has made a huge contribution but that doesn't make him untouchable and sometimes revolution and not evolution is what is needed.

JJB was retiring at the end of the season so why not just not pick him. I do find it hard to believe that JJB who has put his body on the line for 20 years would fake injuries in his last season.

I would agree with that - just don't pick him but I suppose you run the risk of him running off to his mate and under minding the coach?

Blimey, Furner was the Alex Ferguson of RL was he? it's a daft comparison, Alex Ferguson was a very successful coach with a proven track record before taking over at Manchester United.

Furner was not a good coach for us, at all, he came in and lost the dressing room within 6 months, and we look like a terrible 'team' now as Ive stated before whether Agar was the correct appointment after he left is a different discussion but I am not really sure where this revisionism on Furners time here is coming from other than I think some just want the club always to be in the wrong for some reason.

FWIW I would have liked Griffin or the Walker Brothers to have come in and replaced him, but they haven't, I thought putting Agar in as a steadying ship exercise was fine for last year, I'm not convinced he's the correct man at all to take us forward, but for that matter I'm not sure Sinfield or Hetherington do either, hence the 1 year deal.

Re JJB, his performances weren't at the required level in his last year. It worries me if furner was being pressured to pick him as it suggests a lack of objectivity in those applying the pressure.

I regularly speak to JJB, I did not see him as the problem last year. what he did say was Furner was asking the forwards not to play their natural game and made changes that was alien to them, and the forwards struggled to understand what Furner wanted. Clearly without proportioning blame to any of the players ( yet some of the players clearly did not get on with him) the problem was Furner's. Guys he was given a chance, but did not have a clue, once you start to lose the players you are finished. You cannot demand respect, you are shown and given respect by the way you act and you do your job. You earn respect. Furner has gone, don't worry he wont be back. With regards Agar, so far looking at the games that are completed , and some have said how can we quote after one game, my answer is with the Rhinos it has been going like this for the last 3 years. After the performance on Sunday it looks again we have not moved forward. We were taken apart by a Hull team that was way ahead of us. First game of the season we should have been up for It but after the first 20 minutes it was all over, Our forwards simply wasn't good enough. How much have we moved forward compared to other teams, because if we have moved forward other teams have moved forward more. We have little pace in our team.
Last Night Warrington took Saints apart, the week before Saints took Salford apart. What comments on here if we lose on Sunday to Huddersfield, then the knives will be out for Agar. Here is a man who said he did not want the job, so we offered him the job and he took it. What does that tell you. With so many players leaving last year it was the ideal time to bring in a new coach.
I do agree with comments on here that too many old boys are given jobs, I just hope that if we don't get any better then some people take responsibility and leave
The people who will not be leaving are Caddick and Hetherington, their share ownership determines that.

Fair point - the club made some very bad errors of judgement - letting McGuire go, some very poor recruitment, the way they dealt with Watkins etc. My view is the club was in a bad place and Furner came into a club in turmoil and as such he should have been given more time.

Well I think we may well have been relegated if Furner was given more time, but we'll never know and it really isn't worth going over and over.

hull fc might beat HKR eventually but its amazing what a top coach can do with an average group of players.....

Get them to joint bottom of the league and very nearly relegated?