Just to back up MMJ a bit.

I don't care whether anyone rates Hull or not, but I fully agree with him about the use of the word garbage. You are referring to elite sportsmen who are going out there and putting their bodies and potentially careers on the line week in week out for your entertainment. You might not think they are a particularly good side, but anyone who plays at this level deserves better than to be called garbage. It's a word that's thrown about far too much these days because it's so easy from behind a keyboard.

Seriously? You saying those Hull players were thinking careers on the line when clearly downing tools in some of the stuffings they have taken this season?

Anyway, nice little sermon but i still think this Hull team is garbage compared to a few years back and is punching way above its weight in 3rd. And BTW these sportsman are being paid good money so the fans that pay the money to fund the wages that make these pros have comfortable lives means that fans are entitled to have an opinion.

garbage,well your right we have been garbage in a few matches, but we have always bounced back, we still have most of the players that won in 2017, and we are getting most of our injured players back, we could do the double this year, long shot I know but will you be doing it?, if where garbage what the hell are you ?

Something worse than garbage? I don't see anybody arguing Leeds are better than Hull this year. I can understand touchiness around using the word 'garbage' but this is a forum, and the the Leeds one at that. We'd all use that word (and far worse if allowed to swear) about our own team many times over the past couple of years.

Back on topic....we're running into a tough set of fixtures and KR seem to be moving forwards. More worryingly so are London. They put in the effort and have a simple gameplan which they execute quite well, and importantly they know they're going to let in some points and lose games but don't let it rattle them. Without a halfback we can't even do that and our effort often goes wasted.

Is he?

Agreed. Our end of set plays this year have been generally atrocious, we are unable to maintain any pressure, therefore lose the energy battle, therefore have our weaknesses exposed most weeks.
I’d like to see Myler let go. Never been a huge fan but even as a running half he hasn’t the pace IMO. Burrow or early McGuire is a running half.

I don’t think Danny Richardson or Theo Fages are marquee players. They are average half backs really, but Saints are running away with the league. Pre season some may even have said Lolohea and Myler look a better half back pairing, our problem is both have had terrible seasons and Lolohea has now been written off as a half back.

I know WHERE Garbage is ,its in my bin and I know we're definitely garbage

You can't have 4 marquee players so not all will be and richardson and farges are average at best IMO but saints have great players at 1 and 9 and lomax is way above average for SL but it's their forward dominance that is giving those players the edge. They're way above leeds (and the rest of SL) as a unit in those spine positions. Hull and wire are the best of the rest but ours and wire's forwards aren't a match for saints.

It all depends on your starting position but when none of your spine are that good (as in leeds), there is no point spending big on a centre and back rower as the gains won't be there. If leeds had signed austin and coote instead of hurrell and merrin you'd be in a whole different place now

Our halves pairing is Lomax/Fages, Richardson is back up (and as far as back ups go a quality squad player).

Lomax has been sensational for most of the last two years - probably our best alongside Coote this season.

But it is true that our forwards make their life easier. I think we have a genuinely world class front row in Walmsley/Roby/Thompson and some back rows with very good hands in Zeb and Paolo which provide lots of options for them.

The problem is somebody clearly thought Lolohea was good enough to be one of our starting halfbacks, despite having barely played there in the NRL and playing regularly in NSW cup at full back. That signing was made before Sinfield returned, so I guess it would have to have been another of GH's projects. Then when we went for marquee players we assumed halfback was fine - hence Hurrell and Merrin, as you say neither being in essential positions.

Hopefully we will survive and the message will be branded across all of the Leeds management - halfback first and second priority, everything else once that's sorted.

Nail on the head. Major mistake