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Quote: tigertot "I work in construction & higher education. Both are unanimous - it is disastrous.'"


Both had their opportunities to vote but the majority had the opposite opinion. Does that mean you are in College maintenance? your polling seems as accurate as the professionals?

Quote: tigertot "Really? So the markets are affected by people being upset at being lied to? Not just the Remainers though is it?'"


The markets react to uncertainty not what campaigners may or may not have said. There was always going to be a period on volatility with a Brexit decision but as I said this has been made worse by the arrogant disregard for the democratic vote from a section of the losing side as they seek to prolong their opposition to Brexit. The markets don't like negativity either.

Quote: tigertot "Really? Stevie Wonder could see the likely outcome.'"


Can you give me a link to your prediction (and Stevie Wonder's) where you stated their would be a leadership election for both major parties immediately after the vote?

Quote: tigertot "How long will this be? You must know.'"


I do not have a crystal ball like you do so perhaps you should ask Stevie Wonder.

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "It is not a reluctance to give official notice to leave the EU. It was made clear during the campaign that the prefered option, were the country to vote for Brexit, would be to have a period of reflection to get organised before official negotiations begin. During this time some unofficial soundings could be made with the leaders of other EU countries to ensure that time is not wasted once the official talks begin. It will also allow emotions to calm down a little and sense to take over. This is a sensible approach and one that the leaders like Frau Merkel agree with. It is only the EU Bureaucrats who are foot stamping as they see their powers about to decline.

What is happening is only a disaster for those Remainers that are sore losers. There cannot be many people who hadn't anticipated a period of unstability in the circumstances which have been made worse by an apparent refusal on the part of some Remainers to accept democracy and an unlikely change of leadership of both the two main political parties at the same time. Markets do not like uncertaincy so once things settle down we will see a bounce back which will be all the stronger if friendly ground rules are laid down by both sides in the forthcoming negotiations.

There have been some positive stuff coming out of Germany with Matthias Wissmann the leader of their automotive industry he said [i'Even if many "experts" are competing to paint the worst possible senario, now is the time for calmness. Every possible measure must be undertaken to enable the continued free movement of goods and services between the UK and other EU countries. Following the British departure from the EU, it will be in nobody's interest to make international flow of goods more expensive by erecting customs barriers between Britain and the European continent'[/i

Germany sells more cars to Britain than any other country, with 810,000 exported last year, Mr Wissmann said and half of the 2.6 million cars made in Britain last year were built by German owned fiorms such as BMW which runs Mini and Roll-Royce.

EON which is based in Dusseldorf is also lobbying against new customs barriers and their CEO said 'as fat as possible EU leaders should aim to retain a single market for goods and services for the British.

Frau Merkel has said there is 'no need to be nasty' in Britain's exit negotiations. The German Finance Ministry has prepared a document saying it is possible to reach an ageement where the UK is an 'associate member of associate partner status with the EU.

Business will be pragmatic and not emotional and I trust so will the leaders for the 27 other countries.

I think after such a bumpy campaign leaders of both sides were understandable exhausted, so do not put much value on how they have looked over the last few days. Neither should you overvalue hwta the unelected Eurocrats have to say. There are suggestions from within the EU that one of the reforms to consider is to transfer the Commissioners power to the EU parliament. Pity they did not listen earlier to the UK arguments for EU reform as it is obvious that the public throughout the EU has similar concerns to the British Brexiters. Nice to see we still have leadership qualities.

There is not a reluctance to give official notice to leave the EU. It was made clear during the campaign that the prefered option should the country vote for Brexit was for a period where'"



You really do have an inability to see anything else than exactly what you want to see from your starting point position...whether that is in RL or anything else it seems. Thank goodness there is impartial, facts based, considered opinion out there. You would make a great politician with your ability to twist contort and squeeze the actual truth into something more palatable to your agenda ridden thinking.

Amongst all the selective quotations you also manage to claim this lack of a plan shambles and disappearance by the sheepish looking 'victors' (apart from Farage) was and is all planned. You even manage to blame the 'Remainers' for it. Brilliant eusa_clap.gif

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I see Boris Johnson this morning declared the pound and stock markets were "stable" and that "Project Fear" was over.

Right before both tanked again on opening bell.

If it wasn't so catastrophically serious, it would be comical.

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"What is happening is only a disaster for those Remainers who are sore losers"

And any UK business which buys from overseas and finds costs have increased by 10-15% overnight due to the exchange rate

And anyone who has a pension scheme or annuity linked to the value of the stock market.

And anyone with savings, who is going to lose out due to the imminent and inevitable fall in interest rates

And anyone who voted Leave on the basis of ending the free movement of labour across the UK's borders, which Boris has now backtracked on. Or on the NHS getting an extra £350m a week of investment, which again has been backtracked on.

But apart from that, it's all tickety-boo. There might even be fewer brown people around, which is bound to make some people happy.

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Quote: nantwichexile "You really do have an inability to see anything else than exactly what you want to see from your starting point position...whether that is in RL or anything else it seems. Thank goodness there is impartial, facts based, considered opinion out there. You would make a great politician with your ability to twist contort and squeeze the actual truth into something more palatable to your agenda ridden thinking.

Amongst all the selective quotations you also manage to claim this lack of a plan shambles and disappearance by the sheepish looking 'victors' (apart from Farage) was and is all planned. You even manage to blame the 'Remainers' for it. Brilliant

...and before you start picking my post to pieces and levelling accusations please take time to read some of my other posts where I have taken things from the internet that ARE facts based in their concluding opinions (given genuine reassurance we will come out of this reasonably no worse off)...and do not try to paint this omnishambles as anything else other than what it is. The 'victors' did not expect this result...most agree they were (apart from Farage who alone would have more likely lost this campaign) only after Cameron's scalp and nothing else. There was never a post Brexit plan by the Brexiters. They all expected a narrow Remain victory. Johnson and Gove should be strung up.

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£6,500,000,000 has been wiped off the value of the tax payer's stakes in Lloyds and RBS since the end of last week and trading in them suspended. Nice work UK government.

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "Too early to make any judgements on what will happen in reality. Until we are finally out of the EU, which will take at least 2 years, then we will not know what is possible or not possible and that will depend on the circumstances of our negotiations and our economy at the time. That is what I thought apparent.'"


It's very easy to make a judgement on at least two things that will happen in reality - or won't happen, to be more precise; there'll be no 350 million quid a week for the NHS, and the free movement of labour won't stop. The two central planks of the Leave campaign - which is also, by happy coincidence, a convenient way to describe Messrs Johnson and Farage.

I would expect that there'll be a huge chunk of Leave voters, who were persuaded by those very promises, who will have a serious case of buyers remorse in the coming weeks and months.

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Quote: nantwichexile "You really do have an inability to see anything else than exactly what you want to see from your starting point position...whether that is in RL or anything else it seems. Thank goodness there is impartial, facts based, considered opinion out there. You would make a great politician with your ability to twist contort and squeeze the actual truth into something more palatable to your agenda ridden thinking.

Amongst all the selective quotations you also manage to claim this lack of a plan shambles and disappearance by the sheepish looking 'victors' (apart from Farage) was and is all planned. You even manage to blame the 'Remainers' for it. Brilliant
I certainly have an inability to agree with almost everything you say with regard to RL and now you have been kind enough to share with us your kneejerking hysteria with regard to the referendum. I would have a bit more respect for you if you occassionally were able to argue your case point by point. As with your response to my post you have not presented why you think any of my points are wrong using your facts based considered opinion albeit from others out there.

Although I don't agree with it I accept that you wish to be governed by foreigners and lack the confidence in our country to prosper outside the EU nanny state. This perhaps explains your outrageous wish that pensioners should not be allowed to vote (or was it over 50s). Do you hold this totally undemocratic opinion purely because the older turn out to vote in higher numbers than the young? or is it because you are ageist?

You don't seem to grasp the need to take time to prepare correctly so we are ready when negotiations begin. This point I made several times before the vote. You also seem to have ignored the fact that the Leave campaign leaders were not allowed access to the civil service records and furthermore they had their freedom of information questions turned down by the head of the civil service and Remain backer. Until the Brexit team are allowed to take control and gain access to the information they cannot have a detailed plan in place. The first step was to win the vote and the second to draw up the best team to finalise the exact objectives and the third to selct a strong negotiating team.

Of course too long a delay will delay any bounce back in the markets but Cameron delaying his own brexit has put things further back than expected as the Brexiteers had hoped the PM would stay on. IMO I would hope the selection of a new PM will be speedy and certainly quicker than Cameron's timetable. A new PM and cabinet appointed should have a positive effect on the makets.

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Quote: bren2k "It's very easy to make a judgement on at least two things that will happen in reality - or won't happen, to be more precise; there'll be no 350 million quid a week for the NHS, and the free movement of labour won't stop. The two central planks of the Leave campaign - which is also, by happy coincidence, a convenient way to describe Messrs Johnson and Farage.

I would expect that there'll be a huge chunk of Leave voters, who were persuaded by those very promises, who will have a serious case of buyers remorse in the coming weeks and months.'"



Substitute Farage with Gove......Johnson & he are the ones that did not want this. At least Farage did.

Farage is just a c++t ....epitomised by his poster; hypocritically having a German born wife and "without a shot being fired" remark

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "
Does that mean you are in College maintenance?'"


Colleges are not higher education. You have an understanding of our education system on par with Michael Gove.

Quote: Juan Cornetto "Can you give me a link to your prediction (and Stevie Wonder's) where you stated their would be a leadership election for both major parties immediately after the vote?'"


As even a fool knows this was always more of a Tory leadership campaign. Anyone with any insight also knew the Blairites were lining up to knife Corbyn. Which is why you must have missed it.

Quote: Juan Cornetto "I do not have a crystal ball like you do so perhaps you should ask Stevie Wonder.'"


ButThe markets react to uncertainty not what campaigners may or may not have said. There was always going to be a period on volatility with a Brexit decision but as I said this has been made worse by the arrogant disregard for the democratic vote from a section of the losing side as they seek to prolong their opposition to Brexit. The markets don't like negativity either.

So you have no idea how long the disaster is going to last. Despite you knowing nirvana is on its way.

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "I certainly have an inability to agree with almost everything you say with regard to RL and now you have been kind enough to share with us your kneejerking hysteria with regard to the referendum. I would have a bit more respect for you if you occassionally were able to argue your case point by point. As with your response to my post you have not presented why you think any of my points are wrong using your facts based considered opinion albeit from others out there.

Although I don't agree with it I accept that you wish to be governed by foreigners and lack the confidence in our country to prosper outside the EU nanny state. This perhaps explains your outrageous wish that pensioners should not be allowed to vote (or was it over 50s). Do you hold this totally undemocratic opinion purely because the older turn out to vote in higher numbers than the young? or is it because you are ageist?

You don't seem to grasp the need to take time to prepare correctly so we are ready when negotiations begin. This point I made several times before the vote. You also seem to have ignored the fact that the Leave campaign leaders were not allowed access to the civil service records and furthermore they had their freedom of information questions turned down by the head of the civil service and Remain backer. Until the Brexit team are allowed to take control and gain access to the information they cannot have a detailed plan in place. The first step was to win the vote and the second to draw up the best team to finalise the exact objectives and the third to selct a strong negotiating team.

Of course too long a delay will delay any bounce back in the markets but Cameron delaying his own brexit has put things further back than expected as the Brexiteers had hoped the PM would stay on. IMO I would hope the selection of a new PM will be speedy and certainly quicker than Cameron's timetable. A new PM and cabinet appointed should have a positive effect on the makets.'"


I have no inclination to get into lengthy line by line diatribe...never have been

I am a human being....prone to emotions affecting my postings at time. As it is not a job interview or a place of gravitas on here I consider myself excused . .However I do stand by my opinion this vote should have only have been for those most affected in the longer termillegally under EU law. For this alone the EU would be justified in pressing the article 50 nuke button rather than having to wait for this balls up government creating the predicted economic & political shiitestorm brewing (not them).

I have no problem being ruled by 'foreigners' if they were able to do a better job of governing than our lot (not difficult). This remark alone from you is quite telling. Nothing to do with 'nanny EU state' but all to do with continuing with Churchill's and others' noble vision of the European countries working together in harmony.....blown apart by a majority Little Englander or just plain johhny foreigner hating mentality (not everybody I hasten to add...I understand more now the EU's failings;failings that could have been and will be reformed where needed.....but without their contributions there would have been no Brexit)
I had no time for Cameron, but he did outflank his political foes who would have his job. Who does want to be responsible for pressing the article 50 nuke button? It will be interesting to see who does.

I care not for your respect.

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A day like Thursday was coming, it has been brewing for a decade or more but the arrogance of the political elite failed to believe it would ever happen. Time for people to stop throwing the toys and accept the result. The in fighting between the two major parties of our country is going to hurt us as much as Brexit imo and really needs sorting asap.

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Quote: nantwichexile " Who does want to be responsible for pressing the article 50 nuke button? It will be interesting to see who does.'"


I would trust a man who has lied & cheated on his own family. Lying to the country is chicken feed.

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The votes done, they need to stop having a song and a dance and get on with it. More uncertainty will make things worse. ATETD if things really go tits up I'm just gonna p*ss of elsewhere, possibly Asia.

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The remainers in parliament (the high majority) while obviously completely and utterly accepting the result, will ultimately shape the form of exit. Will anyone be surprised when they find it'll strongly resemble what went before at which point voters will perhaps question, is that it?

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