Oh yes totally agree. Look at the state of our crowds now. I shall be there tomorrow in the p1ssing down rain with the other 4,199.

fair play to you sir, i know a few Bulls fans who stick by their club through good and bad, its what following a team is all about.Its the bad times that make the good times all the sweeter as us die hard leeds fans have found in recent years.

If we end up middle 8s the Bulls Rhinos game is one thing to look forward to

Born and bred in LS13 yes I know its Bramley ,but I was introduced to Leeds by fans from Burley and kirkstall when I was very small even big Roy was ls13 too.Mine now is 19086

I remember Mount Pleasant in the days of one division only. They didn't have corner flags just road signs marked "Steep Hill" and when the ball landed on the corrugated metal roof of the stand everyone was showered in rust .

You say tomako, I say tomako

Let's call the whole thing off

You would rather risk relegation than be safe?

I hope the insinuation is not that we would be fine in the middle 8s given recent performances?

Personally I would be very happy to see us make the top 8 even with no chance of making the top 4 as it will mean we have got some wins under our belt and hopefully in a better place than we are now.

I think the middle 8's would be better long term - the club would have to seriously re-assess where is was and how it was going to put things back on an even keel. Making the 8 just papers over the cracks.

There is no chance of the club not being in SL - no matter what happens.

I want us to finish as high as possible but even then IF GH still has anything about him he still should have seen enough to realise the changes that are needed on & off the pitch.