Just one thing, you say Ryan Carr worked but then the next scentence say you don’t get the structure of part time having impact?

Ryan Carr was part time.

You may be correct in your last statement!

You can’t tell anything from round 1 at all, especially a game where we lost a centre and our captain for a huge chunk of the game and our first choice prop was missy, would you have thought saints would get nilled in their second game?

I do know that he challenged JJB after the Salford game about his attitude and putting on injuries, stating he needed to go, having challenged him the previous weeks. After that game Sinfield and GH were put in a position who they backed, and Furner went.

From that, middle of last season is when I stated on here that we won't appoint a proper coach, and will limp along for JJB to take over when qualified. Its a bit of a coincidence that seems to be happening.

If that's the case I'm not surprised Furner went

It’s not just one game though same mistakes and deficiencies as last year as well. I saw we may be a little better than last year. But you can certainly tell from just one round we won’t be winning the league trophies this year.

Years ago as a kid I used to hear rumours about dressing room bust ups and the reason Jeff Stevenson left etc and this latest stuff is no different. However who identified Furner as the next coach and why ? What did they see in him to team build and see the transition through?

Why are you not surprised? isn't that exactly what most people are saying to you, that we are obsessed with the wrong things? If JJB was a problem, why was Furner held responsible for it and JJB rewarded?

JJB has a 20+ year career for the Rhinos, giving his all and the new coach comes in and questions his commitment? all I am saying is it isn't surprising Sinfield and Hetherington took JJBs side and not Furners, maybe if Furner had come in and done a great job he might have had more than a good case but he was doing a crap job, 4 from 14 we were when he got sacked.

Its a vicious circle isn't it, and unless it is broken we keep going round it. The broken is probably the route they should have taken. I think you are missing the point here, that it seems JJB was a problem, not an "alleged" problem, for Furner, and was the problem of that run of defeats you state against the coach.

JJB was not a problem for 20 years, but then suddenly the reason we lost 10 out of 14 games last year? seems JKB is now the scapegoat of choice.

Let's take Alex Ferugson as an example - his first year at Utd wasn't great and there were a number of established players with big egos. The board backed him over the players and look what happened. At Leeds it seems there is too much power in the hands of the players - McDermott suffered from that and you have to wonder if that was also a JJB doing. Yes he has made a huge contribution but that doesn't make him untouchable and sometimes revolution and not evolution is what is needed.

JJB was retiring at the end of the season so why not just not pick him. I do find it hard to believe that JJB who has put his body on the line for 20 years would fake injuries in his last season.

I would agree with that - just don't pick him but I suppose you run the risk of him running off to his mate and under minding the coach?

Blimey, Furner was the Alex Ferguson of RL was he? it's a daft comparison, Alex Ferguson was a very successful coach with a proven track record before taking over at Manchester United.

Furner was not a good coach for us, at all, he came in and lost the dressing room within 6 months, and we look like a terrible 'team' now as Ive stated before whether Agar was the correct appointment after he left is a different discussion but I am not really sure where this revisionism on Furners time here is coming from other than I think some just want the club always to be in the wrong for some reason.

FWIW I would have liked Griffin or the Walker Brothers to have come in and replaced him, but they haven't, I thought putting Agar in as a steadying ship exercise was fine for last year, I'm not convinced he's the correct man at all to take us forward, but for that matter I'm not sure Sinfield or Hetherington do either, hence the 1 year deal.

Re JJB, his performances weren't at the required level in his last year. It worries me if furner was being pressured to pick him as it suggests a lack of objectivity in those applying the pressure.