I'm not taking it personally, Im just responding and commenting just like you.

I see some key indicators, things like two 87% completion rates in our fast games, in both games in the main we have found the correct players in position to get the sets complete correctly. Bar the second half in the Hull KR (when we down two forwards) we made more e metres than the opposition, we have a dummy half who's distribution is among the best in the league and is a tough defender and quick.

The approach seems far different to me and we now have more quality to actually execute those trick plays.

As I say on to Catalans, one thing I will say is if we ever start playing like an Ian Watson coached side, I probably will give up watching, I do not want to see a process driven side, I want to see side with the balance between the two correct.

So far we haven't looked great in the opposition 20, hopefully thats down to combinations getting to know each other etc.

I think the "trick plays" are been hyped up too much, its not like we're trying them every set. Fans moaned we never looked like scoring from deep, now other teams know we are dangerous from deep and gives them more to think about.

I also think too many people are only focusing on our attack and saying they cant see any coaching/improvement but aren't paying any attention to our defence, which is much improved.

The majority of our tries this year have come from within the opposition’s 20 metre line.

I’ve not seen one side this year bar maybe saints against Hull look anything like firing on all cylinders in attack

Hang on didn’t it work like 2 times out of 3?

To be fair Seth you’re not a super league or NRL coach either (are you???) so is it just possible RS knows more about coaching and is better at it than you are?

You’re entitled to make criticisms of course, you’re obviously very knowledgeable but it’s also not the case that there is only one way to do things.

I happen to agree with you in terms of building fundamentals but I think RS focuses on energy conservation (to some extent like TS). Jury is still out but it is a legitimate approach.

You're the one assuming that "trick plays" are being prioritised, there's absolutely no proof of that.

And I'd point to our high completion rate as being proof of fundamentals being much sounder this year than last for a start.

Not sure that calling Ash’s trys ‘trick plays’ is very fair either, both had a tremendous amount of skill and awareness involved.

Especially the one against Salford, Id much prefer us to be playing whats infront of us in those situations rather than just playing percentages to get out of our half.

If you’ve got that skill in your locker you use it.

Ouch, that cuts deep Jim, you enjoyed getting that in ..Probably the most experienced coach in here then.

I'm entitled to comment on what I see as much as anyone is (a bit like your strong views on the disciplinary Jim, i dont think youre a match official and maybe theres more than one way of doing things?)

I've not slagged anyone off or called for his head but people seem to be very touchy (like Chris' 'i though it'd take longer than rnd 2 before 'all this') will see whether RS way of doing things is able to get the team and I think by round 8-10 we can give a fair assessment whether that's going to b enough to complete at the top end over the long term.

LeedsBA - completion would suggest some execution of fundamentals but you can still complete high without offering much in the way of creating space for the majority of the time. Stats aren't always the best indicator. And again you and Christopher are choosing to take what I've said about the cross field kick (which I've said more than once was a brilliant play) without any context.

It’s like being in a classroom on here. Hard to actually follow topic with the pathetic bickering……
Please start a private WhatsApp chat or something, if you want such a personal chat fellas

Eh it's a discussion forum, what personal chats are we having? I've not asked Seth what he's having for his tea.

Must admit it is nice to watch us run round teams again, haven’t seen that since we had Watkins/Moon!

I look forward to you contributing something of interest to the class Shabs, til then, sit down.