Signs way after the season was over in terms of competing. Do you want us to wait until the middle 8s are upon us to turn it around again?

you really are grasping at straws now

A really bad one as well. We were the worst team in Super League before his arrival. He saved them from relegation, and we still never learn.

I couldn't care less what was said before, who is right or wrong, just everyone move on and accept what is in front of our eyes, the club is poorly managed from an on field point of view, which if not careful or maybe even is, will move to the off field very soon if not sorted.

We can not get out of it by persisting with the current set up.

Hetherington must take his share of the flak too. his recruitment has been awful.
the squad is full of championship standard players.

Agreed, and I think its unfair that BM gets all the stick. We just came off just about our worst season ever, and our "recruitment" consists of just about replacing one of our better players, plus two project Championship lads.

The only rationale for recruitment I can think of is that GH, BM etc all bought into the excuses for last year, combined with the hope that McGuire (in particular) would come back to his best and one or more kids would develop enormously. Without some very odd reasoning the lack of at least starting the rebuilding by bringing in a couple of quality players just defies belief..

don' think anyone was expecting something as strange as last night

Why he started lilley on the bench i dont know, every week the halves get switched around during the game. For a team so badly lacking structure they need some consistency in that area. Lilley and mcguire should have started 6&7 with Sutcliffe BR, Walters is beyond average

Well, I arrived in York teatime, left the missus and headed over to Castleford without prebooking a ticket and hoped there was a pay at the gate.

I made it to the ground in time, there was a pay at gate. Got my pint, and I was buzzing for the game. Jeezo, that was as miserable a performance as anybody could have ever seen. I was gutted, so left when they racked up 50. After watching that I wish id never gone. It left me traumatised!

Been a crap couple of weeks. My 2 loves Hearts ( season ticket holder), and the Rhinos have both bent over and took it up the farter! Hearts are murder right now, so was hoping seeing the Rhinos in the flesh for the 3rd time would make up for Hearts being pish.

But no, right now they are both murder. Hopefully pop down to Headingley again later in the year, it cant get any worse that that. (Lets hope no anyway!)

I travelled to Castleford last night expecting a best case scenario loss by a 20 point margin. Should have adjusted my weekly tip accordingly. When I was inside the ground and heard the team line-up (the forwards and bench options in particular) I was expecting a 40 to 50 point hammering.

What I wasn't expecting was a performance which stunk to such a degree. There was little appetite among the players for the game last night for reasons which point directly towards the coach himself. In the absence of any game plan or strategy, the very least he should achieve is to motivate the team sufficiently to show some interest and give it a dig.

The highlight was my nephew pointing at Mullally when he'd just come on and opining how that donkey gets a game in a Leeds shirt. Ten seconds later he's the beneficiary of a rather spawny try

So much for the opinion from one particular individual last week that Leeds had sorted out their defence during an untroubled off season of planning and preparation with just the attack to work on to get back to 2015 standards.

With more players out & a weaker squad last year Cas did ok. It's an attitude thing now at Leeds & that is down to the coach.

If Gale had have been out as much as Mcguire you would have been in the bottom 4.

The problem with excuses (especially when they are promoted by club management) is the players believe them and that affects their attitude and appetite when things aren't going smoothly.

Cas and Wigan in particular were hit by injuries just as much as Leeds last season but they rode it and got stuck in. Leeds OTOH moaned about bad luck with injuries, floods and having to train in unfamiliar gyms alongside tanned mincers. If that isn't an attitude problem right there, I don't know what is.

McGuire was finished last year.

The team therefore didn't miss him at all.

Brian Mac is past it and we need a shake up. But I'd say recruitment has been massively below standard for a few years. Which isn't all his fault. Yes give the young kids a go, but I personally don't even believe they have kept the right youngsters. Liam hood, Alex foster, Elliot minichello I thought had way more potential than the likes of josh Walters.
Signings we have seem pointless like Andy Yates, Corey Aston, anothony mullally (who looked an absolute joke last night celebrating his try then rediculous double movement attempt).
I know it's a salary cap spot but I cannot see how we have lost sinfield, peacock, leuleui, Aiton, hardaker, achurch from our squad and only signed garbutt and parcel of any real quality and he full on cap. I'm not saying that we aren't full, I'm saying that should not have been allowed. I know other players' contracts will have been increased etc etc but how can the squad we had in 2015 have had the same wage bill as the pathetic squad we have now. It's the worst squad Leeds have had for years.

I do believe we have to promote from within but there needs to be a balance.

I don't think masses needs to change. A new coach with a bit more of a game plan, widdop and George burgess for example could turn the side around.

I think Mac has been a good coach, I just don't think his off the cufff style works with a team who doesn't have anyone in there to organise and keep a level ship. Therefore he should leave and accept defeat.

It was a comparison of time absent, nothing else.