Wasn't it a relatively unnecessary leap into the corner that saw Eden knacker his shoulder earlier in the year?

RL is in the entertainment business nothing more nothing less. If the occasional sepectacular elevates the game from the dreary offering most games are these days that most be a good thing surely

At first yes, but you get them every week now that it's lost its excitement value for me, especially when you're seeing guys do it when they actually don't need to and could've gotten it without the dive. It's just making the skill of a team getting over the oppositions tryline easier because you're effectively giving them more room to do so.

Excitement should be a try that only a few players could score like the Hall effort vs Aus where he did Slaters shoulder and didn't touch the flag. How many times you see ones like that and how many wingers could score it? These jumping ones touching the flag, you're getting them weekly and by most wingers.

Hall scored that try because he weighed about 3 stone more than Slater a bit like Big Les it was just a question of size. Now a try like Donald's in the 2007 Gf where he left Wellens for dead then you are talking. A great try isn't just the plonking the ball over the line it's the build up that creates the opportunity which is why Cas have been so good to watch this season

Very harsh to say that try is all about Hall's weight advantage. Took great reactions and skill to come off that collision and get the ball down in time. Another one from memory, Ali's vs Wigan in 2006 when he managed to squeeze into the corner. It was entirely possible to squeeze into the corner without hitting the flag, you didn't see it week in week out though which made them all the more special instead of the weekly dive over the corner flag competition we see nowadays.

So you think if Hall was the same size as Slater he scores not a chance

Neither of our wingers has the athleticism to score the tries Eden does Eden couldn't score the tries Hall does variety is what makes the game entertaining and at the end that is the whole purpose of the game.

If Leeds had wingers who could score these type of tries you wouldn't be tired of it. The corner flag should be in play the posts are in play there is nowhere else on the field where your feet can be in play but your body not

I dont think England will take the risks of Cas but in general, most of the Cas tries have come from structured (usually double) block plays so timing and combinations will be really important

I think we should pick the entire Cas left edge including McMeeken but swap Eden for Hall (dont trust Eden in defence)

Removing the corner flag from the equation just removed an oddity in the rules whereby the corners of the pitch were treated differently to the rest of the field. I've no problem with it at all, and whilst the diving tries are a bit more common, its also making up for the fact that cover defences now are so much better than they used to be. A few years ago in the NRL wingers virtually stopped going for the corner at all because defences would smash them into touch. Now they can't do that quite as effectively because the best wingers add half a yard to the width of the pitch. Why would anyone rather see wingers dying with the ball instead of going for the try?

As for Hall, he scored 30 tries plus a year for 4 seasons in a row to 2012. Coincidence or otherwise since the arrival of Moon his strike rate fell markedly. This year in 32 games of a season when we've played well enough to finish second he's scored 14 tries. From what I've seen Cas would only need to make minor adjustments to get Hall over the line close to as often as Eden. Leeds by contrast show virtually no intent to get Hall into a position to use his strength to score. Even in big wins in the CC this year (Doncaster, Barrow and Fev), where we scored 35 tries in total, just 4 came from the wingers across those games. In our last two league games this year we've scored 14 tries with just one by a winger (Briscoe).

My issue with that is that it suggests there isn't even the intent to get the winger over the line. Whilst I don't think Moon helps in regard to getting the ball wider he's not solely to blame.

No but to put it all down to size is daft.



I would be bored of them regardless of who scored them. It's saying you don't really have to break a defence down properly anymore, just let the winger have 75/80% of his body hanging out of the field and just reach back infield with his arm. It's a shortcut I liken to the rule they recently got rid off in that a FB could make a good kick in goal dead by having one foot over the dead ball line instead of challenging him to bring it back.

If it's become harder to score because of better cover defences you don't add a shortcut so they can still score, you challenge them to overcome the improved defence.

Top level sport shouldn't use the view it became too hard so we made it easier.

Cas this season have shown wingers can once again score tries. We owe a lot to Senior in the past, Calderwood, Bai, Donald and Hall all scored 20+ tries a season outside Senior whilst he scored a fair number himself.

Amongst other things we need a good /wing partnership where either are just as likely to score making the opposition defence work overtime!

The rules were changed due to some good try's being disallowed due to some very marginal contact brushes with the corner flag. Which I think was right decision. But this leaping in the air does not do it for me. Personally I would like the rule similar to the NFL, if you hit the corner flag but one or both your feet are in play then it's a try. If you leap into the air and hit the flag while placing the ball down your out. Probably get the he best of both worlds then.