Or the fact that their just not good enough despite effective development.

That is entirely possible - not sure Baldwinson falls into that category

the proof will be how he goes at his next club

Not so sure on that Tad. He should have gone last year, left it too late IMO.

I agree with this on the proviso he isn't playing every week but as a rotational fwd option id also offer him assist jnr Coaching role if he wants it.
For me Delaney Ablett & Ferres can go obviously it won't happen all at once but i think its time for a decent sized over-haul.

I know what you mean ,but if we play well and beat Saints on Friday would that be or current form?

For all those slating Baldwinson who has been given very little game time or it seems development.
Do you think we will be a better team with Ablett and JJB in our side the rest of this season and next season?
I also see Bentley now confirmed as going to Saints.
Now that imo is a big miss for Leeds.
The nearest best thing to come through the ranks since Bateman.

Singleton gets stick because he's barely improved in the 5 years he's been a regular in the first team. He's OK as a 4th prop, but I get the feeling the club are trying to make him into some kind of pack leader, but he simply can't do it. Compared to other young props in the league that have come through at the same time as him, he still looks the same as he did when he first came into the team.
As for Galloway, he is, and always has been twice the player Singleton is or will ever be. We've missed him massively in the last few games. If he was English people on here would rave about him.

Baldwinson & Hallas are the main reason Bentley is joining St Helens and not us. The development pool for some youngsters just doesn't happen at our club.

Would definitely have JJB (as a loose forward not 2nd row) over Baldwinson. Ablett is 2nd row and you can question his future but not for a prop.

Yeah no young English 2nd row would ever do well under McDermott and Leeds and be on the verge of being an England international

Regards Stevie Ward

You're comparing Baldwinson to JJB, and Ablett who are back rowers, so it's hardly a fair comparison. Although, I'd still take JJB based on form this season as a 13. Baldwinson has hardly set the world alight for Fev this year either.
As for Bentley, time will tell, but we have the likes of Cam Smith, JJR and Sutcliffe coming through who we've all been told will be the dogs nads for the last couple of years, so we wouldn't want to sign Bentley anyway, and risk blocking their progress, would we?