We did the same to Wire in our first game but they had the energy to come back and beat us

Exactly what I was going to say. Let's be honest, the Bateman, Clubb, and Gelling tries should never have happened. Horrendous defence. That needs fixing quickly. It would help if we had Moon, Ward, Ablett and Delaney, but hey we can't use injuries as an excuse! Also, the attack would improve if we didn't have two academy players in the halves, and no hooker but again we can't use McGuire and Falloon as excuses.

Gonna have to disagree about the halves, turn on premier sports right now and watch the Tigers, there two young halves were pretty poor last season, but now with more experience, they are tearing teams apart.

Me too but slightly less concerned with the prospect of a yet to be determined home/away game in the middle 8's

Interesting when Leeds were still 0-0, about 20 mins in.

would the old guard have took the 2 points in front of sticks? Probably. If they did turn it down and tapped, they definitely wouldn't have kicked on the 2nd play!

Someone needs to game manage and dictate play. Shame mcGuire hasn't been there to guide the ship. The last tackle / 4th tackle kicks still seem 'winging it' rather than happening some appointed structure.

Didn't mind them not going for 2. In the grand scheme of things it would've meant very little in terms of trying to get a result at Wigan. But in a performance littered with poor plays and bad decisions in both attack and defence, the decision to kick on the 2nd tackle (Sutcliffe was it?) was the worst of the night for me.

Field position and possession on their line, if you score a try then great but try and at least get a repeat set(s) and if they stop you short at least they'd be starting a set 2m away from their line instead of the usual 30/40m as well as taking a bit of juice out of them.

That decision was correct - if the execution had been better it would have lead to a try. What was criminal was Handley allowing Charnley out of the end zone - schoolboy error!!

TBF we are usually woefull in forcing repeat sets and scoring close in, the ammount of times we are tackled on the last on the goal line is criminal.

Im more confident in Leeds making a break from 40 yards out and scoring than 40cm's out.

fully agree. It shouldn't be that difficult to prod the ball behind the goal line now and again to force a few repeats but does seem to be a problem for us.

Indeed. Bloody awful really

I think this proves how much we rely on off the cuff stuff. I think it also shows how much influence the coach has. He obviously gives them a freedom to express themselves, but how much work do they do on the training pitch learning drill after drill, set play after set play? Sinfield's brain earned us many points over the years? How much input does Mac actually have? And is he being exposed since he lost a genius and a warrior whom the whole dressing room respected?

Yes i agree with all the off the cuff stuff but it stands to reason that repeat sets and building pressure is a sure way of getting over.Wigan do it to great effect, they didnt look like creating owt all first half but they took petrol out of our tank by camping on our line and hammering away until we had nothing left really in the second half. We don't look like we ever know what we want to do even on the last play in the opposition red zone the ball ends up with the likes of Cuthbertson or Hardaker when you would be expecting a half to be taking over.Simple stuff really that needs looking at.