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| Quote: Inflatable_Armadillo "No, Hull didn't do anything wrong of course. But everyone knows their final try should not have stood, the governing body have admitted this in writing. Why is is ridiculous to suggest that Hull FC might want an opportunity to win the game where the outcome is not decided by a gross ref'ing error?'"
They have just won two points, why would you want to risk losing them? Not FC's fault
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| Quote: JerryChicken "Madness.
Sport is all about human endeavor and foibles otherwise they'd just show a video game where nothing ever goes wrong and the computer makes all the decisions based on its own animations.
If this was a normal weekend and it wasn't one of the televised games then no-one would be any the wiser, certainly no-one outside of Hull anyway, you win some you lose some, HKR are owed one and they'll more than likely get it in the next few weeks.'"
It is sport but it is also a business & while I agree with much of you said in so many ways, professional sport also needs to maintain a certain level of fairness & integrity. Where we did and continue to decide matches by only judging them using 3 to 5 guys on the pitch, then both human error & their immediate interpretation of the situation is the final arbiter of the decision on an incident. If they make an obvious error then you would hope that the ref's controller would consider some sort action to deal with this human error.
However, this is different. We were using an official in the stands who has the benefit of multiple HD camera angles to adjudicate on any critical or contentious decisions. The Yeaman try, prior to this one, was the sort of decision you refer to above. I thought it probably was a try but can see why many have other ideas... it was subject to opinion because the nature of the call was subject to minute degrees of margin of error. The Green try was not anything like the, it was a gross error of judgement from someone who is highly experienced. If you made a comparable error in any other commercial business, then a potential charge of Gross Misconduct might be considered & you could face a final warning, demotion or even being sacked.
It looks like that they have decided that Ganson will not use his job but I would like to think there would be a move by the governing body to now acknowledge, now they have acknowledged it was an error plain & simple, that this decision unfairly affected the outcome & that the game should potentially be replayed... but only if Hull KR, as the aggrieved of the two teams, want to replay it. I also acknowledge they might not want to as they might feel the extra game would have a bigger effect on their remaining season games & they might just decide to decline.
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| Quote: Lawrie L "They have just won two points, why would you want to risk losing them? Not FC's fault'"
It depends on how 'they' feel about the victory & the two points in light of both the evidence & the admission by the sports governing body & the highly experienced match official that admitted the gross error that won them the game? They have to decide, if they are happy that is up to them. If I was involved at Hull in any capacity, I would have a huge issue with the outcome & especially as it could be all dragged up again in September!
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| Quote: Inflatable_Armadillo "It depends on how 'they' feel about the victory & the two points in light of both the evidence & the admission by the sports governing body & the highly experienced match official that admitted the gross error that won them the game? They have to decide, if they are happy that is up to them. If I was involved at Hull in any capacity, I would have a huge issue with the outcome & especially as it could be all dragged up again in September!'"
I wouldn't do anything or say anything if I was FC, game was yesterday move on.
Now if the RFL ordered a replay (which they won't) I would say something!
As for Ganson, still shocked at no personal statement from him
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| I am not saying it is corruption, but the awarding of the try should be investigated for betting corruption. If it can happen in other sports, it can surely happen in RL.
The bare minimum punishment for Ganson should be dismissal for incompetence.
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| Quote: Fieldheadrhino "The bare minimum punishment for Ganson should be dismissal for incompetence.'"
I think that's a bit harsh. Everyone fekks up every now and again and if we all got fired every time we did, then the UK wouldn't have a workforce.
The thing that makes this so much more than your average fekk-up is that the video ref is there to ensure that the on-field ref doesn't make these mistakes. That's the point of them.
The missus suggests that Ganson pressed the wrong button and is too proud to admit it.
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| Quote: Fat Boy "I think that's a bit harsh. Everyone fekks up every now and again and if we all got fired every time we did, then the UK wouldn't have a workforce.
The thing that makes this so much more than your average fekk-up is that the video ref is there to ensure that the on-field ref doesn't make these mistakes. That's the point of them.
The missus suggests that Ganson pressed the wrong button and is too proud to admit it.'"
Even my missus who as little to no knowledge of the rules of RL, said "NO TRY, OFFSIDE"
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| Quote: Inflatable_Armadillo "It is sport but it is also a business & while I agree with much of you said in so many ways, professional sport also needs to maintain a certain level of fairness & integrity. Where we did and continue to decide matches by only judging them using 3 to 5 guys on the pitch, then both human error & their immediate interpretation of the situation is the final arbiter of the decision on an incident. If they make an obvious error then you would hope that the ref's controller would consider some sort action to deal with this human error.
However, this is different. We were using an official in the stands who has the benefit of multiple HD camera angles to adjudicate on any critical or contentious decisions. The Yeaman try, prior to this one, was the sort of decision you refer to above. I thought it probably was a try but can see why many have other ideas... it was subject to opinion because the nature of the call was subject to minute degrees of margin of error. The Green try was not anything like the, it was a gross error of judgement from someone who is highly experienced. If you made a comparable error in any other commercial business, then a potential charge of Gross Misconduct might be considered & you could face a final warning, demotion or even being sacked.
It looks like that they have decided that Ganson will not use his job but I would like to think there would be a move by the governing body to now acknowledge, now they have acknowledged it was an error plain & simple, that this decision unfairly affected the outcome & that the game should potentially be replayed... but only if Hull KR, as the aggrieved of the two teams, want to replay it. I also acknowledge they might not want to as they might feel the extra game would have a bigger effect on their remaining season games & they might just decide to decline.'"
What is really needed is the audio link to the video ref in the way that the BBC did for the CC rounds - such a shame that the BBC don't have more rights to SL coverage as their product is now of very good quality.
If you had the audio link on Ganson he'd have to explain his thought process live, and then there would be a case for questioning, as it is you are only left with excuses, cover ups and no definitive explanation.
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| Quote: Fat Boy "I think that's a bit harsh. Everyone fekks up every now and again and if we all got fired every time we did, then the UK wouldn't have a workforce.
The thing that makes this so much more than your average fekk-up is that the video ref is there to ensure that the on-field ref doesn't make these mistakes. That's the point of them.
The missus suggests that Ganson pressed the wrong button and is too proud to admit it.'"
You say your better half said she thought he must have pressed the wrong button. She was on the right track, but I think it was more a case of, eeny meeny miny, MOE!
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| Quote: JerryChicken "What is really needed is the audio link to the video ref in the way that the BBC did for the CC rounds - such a shame that the BBC don't have more rights to SL coverage as their product is now of very good quality.
If you had the audio link on Ganson he'd have to explain his thought process live, and then there would be a case for questioning, as it is you are only left with excuses, cover ups and no definitive explanation.'"
Agreed. They use this on Premier Sports too for Championship games, I think it's a really good addition to know what they look for and reasons why for making the decisions they do. Also noticed on Premier Sports during the Hunslet-Batley game they questioned the video ref several times during the game about decisions that weren't referred to the video ref. A second opinion and explanation on questionable decisions was good to hear. This is something SKY should really consider doing IMO.
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| Steve Ganson should resign immediately, I know I would in his position, if he doesn't he should be fired.
He didn't have a brain explosion, he wasn't suffering from fatigue - good grief Phil Clarke is there no bottom to that barrel you keep scraping - even Stuart Cummings didn't use that excuse. He didn't hit the wrong button and was too proud to admit it - showing a replay of the touchdown immediately prior to awading the 'TRY' indicates that he was satisfied with everything prior to that. He didn't ignore the technology - thanks Stevo now go back to sleep.
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The explanation for what happened appears much, much simpler - (ignoring corruption) Ganson doesn't understand all the rules. That should make his current position untenable but it didn't effect his ability to officiate in the past - sadly.
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| Quote: Fat Boy "
The missus suggests that Ganson pressed the wrong button and is too proud to admit it.'"
So why did he ask to see the grounding?
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| Even as the decision was made why didn`t Thaler say something to Ganson to look at it again. He could then have revered the decison. So Thaler is as much to blame IMO .Either that or change the rules for the on field ref to make the decsion after advice from the VR.
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| Quote: chapylad "Even as the decision was made why didn`t Thaler say something to Ganson to look at it again. He could then have revered the decison. So Thaler is as much to blame IMO .Either that or change the rules for the on field ref to make the decsion after advice from the VR.'"
You do realise that's how this is going to go down - somehow it'll end up being all Thaler's fault. Ganson used to do it all the time when he was in the middle - often when questioned by players after he'd made a mistake he'd explain 'it was the touch judge's decision' - I don't know know how he managed to keep a straight face sometimes.
No need to change the rules - it's a Ganson problem not a video referee problem - the solution is much simpler.
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| For once his incompetence is not a matter of opinion - just a plain fact for all to see. What a time to prove it though! The Dunning-Kruger effect applies - he has no idea he is incompetent but the rest of us are now totally convinced and have undeniable proof. He must go!
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