I take your point. How on earth can you give any credit to Diskin, for example, for the 2004 campaign. OK, so he was that season's player of the year and, OK, so he did win the Harry Sunderland award but, come on, that accent just won't win the hearts of the whino faithful.

It is isn't it. Now that Buderus doesn't have Diskin holding him back maybe there's no more excuses this year is there? Maybe Buderus might win the odd man of the match award here or there this year, let alone player of the year, let alone win a GF let alone pick up a Harry Sunderland.

Original poster, you have you answer. You made your nonsensical non point very well indeed.

The point I was trying to make was that it is barmy to credit one player for the collective achievements of a special group of players, whilst simultaneously blaming one player for poor performances. A game of rugby league has never been won by one player on his own.

It would be equally as barmy to blame the trophyless 2010 season on Delaney. It was all going well before he showed up.

Well, his form was pretty ordinary. But he has the right kind of accent. He produced nothing last year that Ashley Gibson had not produced before him.

Suprisingly, i agree G. Numerous times throughout 2010 he advertised his property company through twitter. His game was never distracted and tbh, i feel he managed his time well between both Leeds & Millennia.

Nail....head. Some people on here just make themselves look silly.

And I'll stick mine out and say we'll see Adam O'Brien in one before Paul McShane

erm no he wont. your reading too much into way potters assigned squad numbers. As a new coach coming in he doesnt have much knowledge of players to base assigning squad numbers on. As such he's gone down route of giving all remaining senior players from last year a number in 17 then giving new signings remaining numbers. hence why l'estrange remains as 9 and diskin gets 14. In reality its almost certain that diskin will get the starting hooking role, as it suits his game better, and l'estrange will come off bench as thats where he excels. think gametime will be pretty evenly split between them.

As for the stuff about diskins off field business activities. Doesnt bother me in the slightest. At least he's got the good sense to know he needs to plan for life after rugby. As long as he meets his training and playing commitments then what he does in his free time is entirely upto him and I'd rather he was doing something like this than sitting round nandos or playing a games console which seems to be a lot of rugby players chief pastimes judging by their twitter feeds.

Basically the England 9 shirt is waiting for Logan Tomkins to have half a dozen good games or less! then he will be hailed as the next big thing and the media fest will ensue at the Thought of the 3 tomkin twunts playing together.

I'm glad nobody brought Buderus into a thread about Diskin for once.

Oh.....

I hope that Diskin can carve a career away from RL, I really do and although I respect him and his achievements in a Leeds shirt, he’s now an opposition player and is held in regard as such.

Away from the pitch I think he’s a bit of a cheap shot merchant – it’s no coincidence that he announced his move to the Bulls only once he’d reaped every penny that he could from us through his testimonial events/merchandise. Also he turned his heart-felt and oh so sincere ‘Open farewell letter to the Leeds fans’ into a free advertising opportunity for his new venture.

Good luck to you Matt but TBH I couldn’t give a stuff any more, you’ve had enough of my hard earned already.

I kind of agree, but its a dog eat dog world out there, every man for himself. His letter was a bit of an embarrassment slap n the face...but can you blame him. There is rarely any loyalty in sport. Its a business.

I agree – all is fair in love, war and business, just not that happy about being one of the mugs that banged more than a few quid into his bank account just to be told “…thanks for that, now see you later… sucker” but that’s business I suppose, not really ethical business but business all the same.

I'd also agree with those sentiments. He certainly knows how to play the publicity game, and I wonder how long before he shoehorns a mention for his new company into any after match interviews.

That said, I'll certainly stand and applaud him onto the pitch at Headingley. He is indeed now an opposition player, but one with an excellent Headingley pedigree, and for me, is at least due that respect.