So many mistakes. We actually look alright when we keep errors down, but too many mistakes on our line, and struggle to defend our own line

too many basic errors from all the players if these are the best we have it shows how far behind we actually are. If the dynamic duo spout how good superleague is can someone please send them the tapes of englands games to watch again

If Tony archer is the best Ref all i can say is Bring back ganson

aside from a couple of forward pass calls, I think hes been pretty good

Somehow, the Australians have learnt about Sam Tomkins's left-foot step every time he gets the ball, and consequently he's made no ground whatsoever. How on earth did they manage to figure that out?

He's just a white Carl Gibson.

Thanks to the rain we kept the score down second half. Shouldn't hide woeful individual errors which cost us the game

I think you can only compare this game to the last one with Australia really.

From Australia 46-16 England in 2009 to Australia 34-14 England in 2010 says it all basically. Our defence has improved, but our attack has declined. Not surprising considering we now have more Huddersfield players in the squad who are noted for their top notch defence and non-existent attack against the top teams in top games.

To be honest Joel looks totally ineffective at this level but there is time for both of them.

It may read that way on paper but the reality is that this Aussie side is missing Thurston ,Inglis ,Hayne ,Folau ,Hodges and still beat us in 2nd gear!
I think we did better than i expected and there were some ridiculous calls go against us but we were'nt good enough again.

You can only play with what you’ve got.

The major difference this year is that this England squad didn’t get to the four nations final like the last one. People can point out that the Kiwis had a better squad this time around, but people can also point out that England had a better squad this time last year.

Works both ways.

The likes of ‘League Freak, Barry Mckenzie & AP/Keith Swiftcorn’ like to think that playing the four nations in England is inferior to playing the same competition in Australia. Its just a mythical conclusion that does nothing other than muddy the waters of what is fact.

Don’t fall for that injury argument. On paper Leeds Rhinos had the best squad that ever graced the club and look how that turned out this season.

Whilst we were easily second best, we were with half a team missing. I'm not saying we would've won, but I think the match would have been closer.

...and I know Australia were also missing players, but we all know they have more strength in depth than us.

Damo i've not fallen for any injury argument just pointing out differences you left out of the comparison you made and they still add up to the same thing = Aussies too good end of!
As for working both ways Morley and Peacock are finished at this level mate and i don't think Sinfield at 9 would of done any better than Roby so what many would consider major losses for England would not of had enough of an impact to change the same end result.

You mentioned that '[ithis Aussie side is missing Thurston ,Inglis ,Hayne ,Folau ,Hodges and still beat us in 2nd gear![/i' of which I interpreted as that England would of done a lot worse if such players were playing in this mornings four nations battle.

If I interpreted wrong then please forgive me.

Yes both add up to the same thing but whilst Australia have declined in attack, England have gained in Defence. England have likewise declined in attack, but gain in defence.

So yes your pretty much spot on that it’s the same result whatever in an Australian win. However you cannot deny the improvement in defence by England, but most worrying of all is the decline in attack when we wasn’t that much of an attacking threat before anyways.

Sinfield performed sensationally in last years four nations and your right he wouldn’t of made much diffrence. But the truth is, it was Sinfields efforts that saw us at least get to the finals.

Can’t really argue with your Morley and Peacock opinion.

My conclusion is that this England side has declined this year and it’d be interesting to see the stats. It wasn’t that long ago we drew in two friendly’s that we should of walked with ease.