Cas sack a young player for a conviction of assault. msnsport.skysports.com/story/0,1 ... 96,00.html Leeds stood by Bailey and Walker Who is right ?????

Cas sack a young player for a conviction of assault. msnsport.skysports.com/story/0,1 ... 96,00.html Leeds stood by Bailey and Walker Who is right ?????

Quote DoubleAone="DoubleAone"Cas sack a young player for a conviction of assault. msnsport.skysports.com/story/0,1 ... 96,00.html Leeds stood by Bailey and Walker Who is right ?????'" Being slightly cynical here but its a lot easier for Cas to take that moral stance with someone who is clearly not an integral part of their squad. He's only played once for reserves this season, would be interesting to see their reaction to a more senior player.

Quote DoubleAone="DoubleAone"Cas sack a young player for a conviction of assault. msnsport.skysports.com/story/0,1 ... 96,00.html Leeds stood by Bailey and Walker Who is right ?????'" Being slightly cynical here but its a lot easier for Cas to take that moral stance with someone who is clearly not an integral part of their squad. He's only played once for reserves this season, would be interesting to see their reaction to a more senior player.

Quote DoubleAone="DoubleAone"Cas sack a young player for a conviction of assault. msnsport.skysports.com/story/0,1 ... 96,00.html Leeds stood by Bailey and Walker Who is right ?????'" Leeds decided the prison sentence handed down was enough punishment whereas cas obviously feel different in terms of the punishment to their player. Plus i agree with DPT.

Quote DoubleAone="DoubleAone"Cas sack a young player for a conviction of assault. msnsport.skysports.com/story/0,1 ... 96,00.html Leeds stood by Bailey and Walker Who is right ?????'" Leeds decided the prison sentence handed down was enough punishment whereas cas obviously feel different in terms of the punishment to their player. Plus i agree with DPT.

Enough said.

I remain of the opinion that Bailey and Walker were high profile Leeds sportsman, in court far too soon after the Woodgate and Bowyer trial.

I believe that because of that proximity, their punishment was much harsher.

Quote DoubleAone="DoubleAone"Cas sack a young player for a conviction of assault. msnsport.skysports.com/story/0,1 ... 96,00.html Leeds stood by Bailey and Walker Who is right ?????'" Don't know the full facts so hard to say, but from a point of principle, I reckon letting a kid keep his job playing rugby is going to be better than putting him on the street without a job. More likely not to get in trouble again if a rugby career depends on it, arguably more likely to get in trouble again if career prospects ruined. Re the Cockayne case - people need to stop saying sentences are too soft e.t.c. just from looking at some facts of a case. Unless you're in court to see and hear everything that is taken into account, commenting on an individual decision on the facts is not likely to amount to accurate criticism. Criticising the guidelines posted above is the only way to genuinely debate the issue IMO.

Quote DoubleAone="DoubleAone"Cas sack a young player for a conviction of assault. msnsport.skysports.com/story/0,1 ... 96,00.html Leeds stood by Bailey and Walker Who is right ?????'" Don't know the full facts so hard to say, but from a point of principle, I reckon letting a kid keep his job playing rugby is going to be better than putting him on the street without a job. More likely not to get in trouble again if a rugby career depends on it, arguably more likely to get in trouble again if career prospects ruined. Re the Cockayne case - people need to stop saying sentences are too soft e.t.c. just from looking at some facts of a case. Unless you're in court to see and hear everything that is taken into account, commenting on an individual decision on the facts is not likely to amount to accurate criticism. Criticising the guidelines posted above is the only way to genuinely debate the issue IMO.

The problem is where is the consistency - surely if kicking some in the head for a first offence on camera is worth two years surely logically the same offence should get a similar tarif - the fact that one court can give a different sentence for the same offence is morally wrong

Difficult to cause trouble if you are in prison - also perhaps some amongst inmates might address some issues that Cockayne appears to have quicker than being free?

Sorry - I meant that in relation to the question of whether it was better to sack a player convicted or not, regardless of whether they go to prison or not.

For you to expect such consistency, you would be making the huge assumption that sentencing guidelines were the only factor in consideration.

I would suggest that the political system can be a more important wild card when it plays.

Well said.

What do people want a prison sentence for?

A deterrent? Studies show it doesn;t work.

Rehabilitation? I think the sentence given has more chance of that than a stretch inside and loss of career.

Punishment? That's one I find hard to argue against.

You see, I believe that the latter should be the primary objective of sentencing but that ideal requires financing and whilst I'd happily see my tax money spent I expect the ranters who pontificate on threads such as these wouldn't.

It used to be the case that kicking a prone victim in the head was a no no. Seems to have relaxed on that score.

However, like the bandit said, nobody on here knows the full facts and the judge did.

Oh, and bats, I don't do criminal work. Hourly rates are too low and the clients are scum bags who need locking up.

He never mentioned criminal work, and I know it would be too close to the bone for you, they might find out your a criminally lazy solicitor.