always been the case, I think even going back to Leeds's awesome pack under Graham Murray (RIP) there would be idiots in places like Majestic who would want to take on the likes of Moz / Baz / Newton , not something I'd ever contemplate doing, but some local 'hardcase' would always fancy their chances.

...we digress

All i can really say is i hope he has no case to answer.However,if he is guilty of what is being alleged then he has had his chances from the club already and he should be cut loose in my opinion.

Sometimes you can have all the talent in the world it seems but common sense cannot be taught.see Gareth Hock

you cant compare GH to ZH..... gaz has been an absolute tool his entire career. zak on the other hand has had a mere handful of issues, most of which can be put down to his age.

I'd generally support the club standing by Zak. They did the same for Bailey and Walker. However, he needs to sort out his priorities - does he want to be known as a great rugby league player or a complete d*ck..

One thing that never ceases to amaze me is how often these incidents are in the early hours of the morning (same here in Australia) during the season. I know most players are full time nowadays, but it still strikes me as odd that clubs seemingly don't mind them going out till all hours getting bladdered. Its a bad look, can't do their bodies much good, and massively multiplies the chances of getting into trouble. I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed out, but I'd hope with a bit of common sense we'd see far fewer incidents like this.

I certainly wouldn't like to, and am not comparing the two like for like but IF, and it still is an IF lets not forget,Zak is found guilty as charged then he appears to have similar amounts of common sense as mr Hock and fully deserves to be banded in the same category as a player who has unlimited talent but in the same breath unlimited amounts of brainfarts which cannot be tolerated by any respectable organisation.would you not agree?

not at all im afraid. the kids still young, if hes still doing stuff like this when hes 30 ill agree, but until then hes a young lad having fun. unfortunately this fun is putting himself in harms was, but its up to him. tbf, until we know all the details its all conjecture, so i could be defending a complete and you could be trying to sack an innocent man....

so IF being the word......

Looks at that opinion. Looks at the avatar.

Got to be a pi55 take, right?

One thing that has occurred to me this morning and it's something I've been guilty of amid all of this, is that a lot of us have posted saying things like he's stupid to put himself in this situation......

However if it was minchella that made the assault, what could he have done? This was 6 days before a game and he's entitled to be out until all hours, I've seen Watkins and many other players alike out until that time and beyond many a time, so until we know exactly what's happened I think we're wrong to say he's been stupid or daft to put himself in this situation after all he can't control the actions of another individual.

Yet another Hardaker related storm in a teacup. 1-0 to our nanny state, big brother is watching, modern ways. Guys like Kurt Sorensen, Kelvin Skerrett & Kev Ward must be p!ss!ng themselves at what the modern day player has to put up with.

Regardless of the rights or wrongs, I'm increasingly feeling that we've already seen the best of Zak in a Leeds shirt. Perhaps any shirt.

Indeed.

And I repeat, Leon Pryce is still playing in SL.

bleacherreport.com/articles/8870 ... fl-history Now this is a sport that knows a thing or two about bad boys.

bleacherreport.com/articles/8870 ... fl-history Now this is a sport that knows a thing or two about bad boys.

In another twist, and maybe Minchella's dad can help with this, as he doesn't seem to be posting, although maybe understandable. I am led to believe that the club were aware of this incident three weeks ago, when the person "allegedly" assaulted, reported it to the club. The police at that time were still deciding if it was worth pursuing.

The club, as they have done many times in the past, especially with the likes of Bailey and Delaney, decided it best just to let it lie, unless something came up. When it came up last week they took the action they did.

It is an hypocritical way to work if true, but no doubt repeated by all clubs I would guess.

Also seems strange why the police, would release photos to the media, when the person "allegedly" assaulted told them from day one about the Rhinos players.

Of course the above is actually assuming it is them after all this. Maybe they say it isn't them.

I'd imagine the police are looking for witnesses, hence releasing the pics.
IF the club had only received an uncorroborated complaint I wouldn't really expect them to act in public.
Confronted by photographic evidence that placed two players - or their doppelgangers - at the scene then I'd expect a different reaction.
Not hypocritical in my book.

I know what you mean but I still think he's daft to be out that late during the season. I don't think anyone would have a problem with any of the players going out on a night and having a few drinks. But the bit where maturity, responsibility and professionalism would kick in is around half 11/midnight. Around then he should be thinking "hang on, I'm a pro RL player and the season has just started, maybe I'd best go home". Staying out til half 2 is a drinking binge not just a few drinks. Which I don't care if he does in the off-season (as long as its not often enough to affect his fitness) but when the season starts he needs to switch on. It's the price he pays for playing the sport he loves for a living.

I don't think its the crime of the century (staying out late) but it's just a tad disappointing from a top player. And I think that alone sums up Hardaker ie a bit daft.