It didn't cost Leeds six points directly but it gave the possession to Hull in the Leeds half that gifted them the opportunity to do so on the following set.

Was it Jones-Buchanan who shot out ahead of the line and invited Houghton through to score? Not like him to do that ..... yeah not much. Probably doesn't go down as a missed tackle with Opta though so some, no doubt, will be able to pretend it never happened.

You clearly never saw Illawarra prop Peter Smith during his 'heyday' ...

The comments are about last nights game not career comparisons. Hall a world class winger is currently out of form and on the last 3 games has been worse than Vickery. Last night Hall lost possession and was driven back over his line like Vickery. He also came out of the line and missed the tackle which led to their 1st try. He was slow in chasing back more than once while Vickery did chase back well. So all I ask is be fair and even with the criticism.

It did not cost us 6 points. What did was the subsequent penalty and poor marker defence from McShane and A.N.Other who both went the same way which opened the gap. Hall being driven back over his line put us under in the same danger as did Vickery.

What excuse have you for Hall's missed tackle for the first try?

So who conceded that penalty, in your opinion?

The A.N.Other with McShane at marker was Brad Singleton - McShane as the lead defender signaled right and went right, Singleton as secondary signaled left and went right. Jones-Buchanan was the A defender on Leeds' left at that play the ball and shot out of the line having nominated a likely receiver. I've no doubt he's coached to do this (does it every week and always gets selected) and I've also no doubt it's asking for trouble to get ahead of the defensive line - especially when defending close to your try-line where any chink is difficult to cover in time.

The combination of the two actions opened the gap in Leeds central defence close to their line and not for the first time - indeed it's been happening all season.

I cannot believe you think singleton and mcshane were at fault for the try ,what have you been sniffing ?
When JJB is not darting out of the line he is giving penalties away. He is worse than bailey at the moment and will probably lose us 10 points this season

So both markers going the same way is ok in your book is it? By having no marker the door was opened. Without the open door their half back would have most likley have passed. JJB running out didn't help and shares blame but you have to rely on your inside man who in this case wasn't there.

Not Vickery!

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I agree. But defenders have to rely on and trust their inside man, hence I usually put most blame on the inside man when gaps like this appear. Last week against Wigan the rushed defence was highly effective with JJB leading the line.

Agreed but if not Vickery then who?

If JJB does not dart out of the line he try does not get scored simple. Tbh I am more concerned about the stupid penalties he keeps giving away sucking the energy out of the players and gifting the opposition momentum.

We both know whom!......but to follow that hare would be to go off at a tangent. This thread is for those fixated by our reserve right winger and who seek to pick on him as the reason for our current troubles. That there are senior players who are currently out of form and are making greater errors is overlooked.

JJB was marking the next man. Their acting half back should have been tackled by one of our markers. I accept JJB moved up quickly on his man but had he stayed in line it is doublful he would have stopped thetry being scored on his inside.