Those games against wakey and widnes I'm sure would have seen Leeds much closer to the top of the table with either a slender 2 points in it or being level, whilst also adding Leeds have already beaten cats away, Wigan and saints this year with much improved defence. I never said there was an upside, just that I choose to see it that other sides have had the benefit of competing for 4 extra points than Leeds and that I believe these would have seen them much closer if not top of the table, had they have played those games I'd bank on it they would not be where they are now.

I'd think you could differentiate between what I said in my earlier post and what you said re fans 'discussing' the game.

Hindsight would show the coach was 'right' as Leeds went in at half time 10-0 up and also looked the dominant side in the last quarte and coming away with the win.

You know what I meant saying 'sat in the stands' and it was nothing to do with the location of the coach.

Re your last point, exactly what I said earlier, there are numerous factors that go into decisions being made that from the 'stands' (as a fan!!) may not make sense, but then they see a fraction of the information that goes into them.

To put some context into why I think the above, I've had a number of occassions where I've made decisions when coaching that others have initially looked sideways at me for, when fully explained more often than not they've completely seen my reasoning why, as they previously didn't have the relevant knowledge/info to hand. It's for this reason that I put some context into my thoughts from 'the side lines'.

And just to reiterate, I think you can differentiate between what I said earlier and purely discussing opinions.

As a completely uneducated fan looking on from the outside and voicing an opinion, McDermott's strategy seemed to be about getting as much mobility onto the field as possible for the closing part of each half. Presumably the idea was to exploit any tired legs from a Catalans side who had also played Thursday night and had to travel home from London.

Given that Leeds finished much the fresher (in the second half in particular) it's hard to argue with the calls that the coaching and conditioning staff made in the days leading up to the game and during the 80 minutes itself.

As a completely uneducated fan you were questioning Peacock's mobility for the last few seasons. I am therefore surprised you wuld agree that a 35 year old Peacock, playing his second lengthy spell with little rest in four days, would be more mobile than Moore who had spent an hour on the bench.

Peacock has many wonderful attributes. Mobility isn't one of them. He can be counted on to concede at least one penalty a match for a high shot as a result of his lack of mobility whether he is rested or fatigued.

Good point and he's not alone, JJB gives away shed loads of pens, some are because he's daft, others because he plays too many mins.

Does this lack of forwards mean Hunslet will have to cancel their game.

Nice one

Swings and roundabouts.

While you don't get mobility with Peacock, you get a lot of graft and leadership. Take him off for someone more energetic, but with equally poor lateral movement and a tendency not to respect possession as much, and while you might gain on some fronts you'll lose on others.

It certainly helped Leeds catching Les Catalans putting in a flat display unable to capitalise on their opportunities.

I asked about the logic behind a specific choice of interchange at a specific point. I pointed out how Jones-Buchanan appeared far away from being capable of stepping up to prop at that point, a zero carry and lost possession, a poor energy kick chase, a yawning gap left straight up the guts in defence - while a fresh prop was left unused on the bench.

Yes ultimately the win is all that matters and it allows legitimate concerns over decisions taken to be side-stepped.

From what I remember Leeds had Kirke, Achurch, JJB, Bailey and sinfield (13?), and Delaney didn't come of til 34th min(?) in the pack at that point, so I'm not sure JJB was pushed up to prop, rather taking some work closer to the middle. Maybe BM wasn't convinced adding Moore to Kirke (who's limited going forward) and Achurch (who's had a mixed start) without having the workrate of Delaney and JJB. I also don't recall JJBs contribution to be so poor that he'd should desperately come off. Should Sinfield have also been pulled off when he knocked on 3 times? Sometimes it's also easy to isolate 1 or 2 poor reads to try justify a point too.

Ok I've watched it again and your recollection is out of proportion.

Yes he initially goes across looking for a gap running from out wide, poor read though fatigue or not it happens.

Nothing greatly wrong with the kick chase, ball was on the opposite side of the field and there were another 5 more players within a metre or 2 of JJB yet you picked out him to emphasise your point.

For the line break JJB was at A defender and had Blanch stepped back to the ruck he was well positioned, however blanch ran and overs line catching out our B and C defender with McGuire desperately getting into the next available space. C Defender is at fault as he's looking in all the time and loses his hips.

Also what about his kick chase 5 mins later on the 34th minute or the line speed to stop Blanch making another dangerous carry in the same set, didn't look tired then.

...Also first man on the kick chase on 38th minute.

I refuse to become an RLfans bore!

Too late!



Keep it up.

Careful, arguing with fekkwitts on here can become addictive. I've cut right back these days but the urge is still there.