On the sherbet so early?

Rubbish - Leeds frustration was their inability to compete with a far superior side - sides on the receiving end give away most penalties - something very evident last night.

Leeds have been the biggest whingers in Superleague for the last three or four seasons, regardless of the referee and particularly when losing. Leeds showed a lot of indiscipline last night, in their ball handling and in their attitude. If they get both those factors sorted then they may have a chance this season.

As well as Leeds being inconsistent around the ruck and giving silly penalties away when it wasn't needed.never really help their matters either!

As much as it pains me to agree with a Saints fan.... I do with last part. The first sentence is just a poor attempt at trolling mate

1. Our team selection was wrong/poor, 2. Our gameplan was wrong/poor, 3. Our 'shape' was wrong/poor, 4. Our gameplay was wrong/poor, 5. Our decision making was wrong/poor, 6. Our discipline was wrong/poor, 7. Our coach was wrong/poor, and 8. Warrington were the opposite!
On top of that we had Child who has been promoted way above his level of competence and who, last night, appeared to let so many 'Warrys' encroach well into the 10 that it was non-existent and who made, as usual, a few blatant errors. The players and the SS get so frustrated by his apparent determination to ignore even-handedness and to influence the game more than the players. The players HAVE to ignore it and play-on, but they don't seem to be able to. The SS, me included, just get angry and disappointed, and we are entitled to! We pay!
If Child spent less time doing his wierd visualising and positioning practice whilst talking to himself before the game and more learning how to be fair, accurate and just he could be a decent Ref. He's not there yet.. .by a long way!

Child was going back 12 or 13 metres last night so of course the Warrington defenders were stood in front of him.

Look at the way Leeds fail to do the most fundamental basics like numbering up correctly in defence, and calling the plays in advance, before you start having a go at the ref. For example how many times did we fail to make a competent last tackle play, or how many times did we fail to pair off correctly at a scrum when they had the feed. Basics that are only one simple aspect of why we are crap. All this without going into collision technique or ball control. TS had to coach the players how to hold the bloody ball when he came, and it looks like we have forgotten everything he ever said in favour of the current pair of muppets...

Not looking good for leeds with them two in control tbh!

How can the referee be an influence on a team dropping the ball? As regards the mouthing off, certain Leeds players have been doing this for some time and it is purely and simply indiscipline. If a decision doesn't go your way just accept it and play on.

While dissent has been a problem for perhaps the past 3 or so seasons, I take it you have not seen many games involving the stains?

TBH thats somethign we're doing really really well this year, i never noticed previously how bad we were at that under cullen i dont know whether its a general coaching thing or hodgson marshalling better from FB but we're spot on with that this year.

Also, as cull has pointed out on boots n all, we've got the technique now on our goal line, or within our 10m' only using one marker, which gives us an extra man in the line, i've not seen any other team doing this but its a big help to our goal line defence.