Watkins looks like a player that needs a fresh start whether that is under a new coach with us or somewhere else i don't know but he looks a shadow at the moment.must be wishing he was playing in that cas set up right now like his old pal Hardaker who looks a world beater again.

What's happened to Ryan hall? Looks massively overweight and was hardly in the game. Fwiw, I think a few sides will get a pasting from that cas side they were as impressive going forward as they were defending.

30 odd years ago I saw Leeds murdered by just under 60 points by Queensland. They were light years ahead and tonight was similar. Back then Leeds had an awful side.

However, Queensland had the greatest ball playing stand off of all time playing for them . Cas had McShane and some other relative journeymen.

That was abysmal and if nothing else McD should go for the utter tripe he has spouted in the press conference. Leeds were never in that game, I think he has lost them.

Watkins looks on his knees and sadly Danny McGuire has gone. He has been great but when your legs have gone they don't come back.

Cas were very good, however they could afford to play at full tilt because they knew Leeds could not hurt them if they made a mistake. Cas have more tests to come, namely Wigan and wire in big games. They play great stuff but it is not easy to do that in a big game against a fit, strong side like Wigan. For Leeds it could be Hull KR.

This year is going to be one long, grim slog. GH needs to get segeyaro gone and get some players in.

Won a couple actually from our holidays down in NL1, had a great time too and even had a day out in sunny Blackpool.

Sure another trophy will come at some point and until then we'll happily just keep playing the way we are.

Great response to a stupid thread.

Cas was fantastic tonight. Playing rugby league how it should be played. Fast, open and entertaining. Well done.

There's no doubting his work rate, and he does punch above his weight in defence, but he isn't a physical enough ball carrier IMO.

1986 CC actually , Regal Trophy 1994.
Try and get your facts right because it does make you look a fool...fool

At least Phil Clarke had his happiest night ever, at one point he was quite delirious with excitement at our demise.

I imagine a number of posters on here are also quite happy with the score line.

Not many of them, vast majority are the complete opposite because want Leeds to win, play well, be competitive all the way down the spectrum to be able to make a single break in the game. Think first one was moon going in at the corner, if you could call it a break.

Here we go!
Ok i'll bite.
Why would any Leeds fan be genuinely happy with that scoreline?

Talking to a cas fan on the way out and he said he's always respected what we've achieved and thought we'd come through the tough times, but after tonight he thinks we're in trouble. We're completely rudderless on and off the field. McDermott can talk about Cas being white hot but it's because they're coached. All we have is drive drive drive. Can't see a way out with this coaching set up but who could we bring in at this point in time. There's times you get a spanking and it's a bad night, times the oppo are just on fire and there's times because you're not in the same class. Ton8ght is the latter. Squad wise were not far away but tactically we're championship.

Disappointed to see so many folks on here bagging the backs once again.
When yr forwards are so comprehensively beaten yr done. Wally Lewis, ET, whoever would have lost that match in big numbers too.
This loss was about confidence v nervousness. Bravery v fear.
Ultimately that's a management issue. Mc can turn it around but due to last yr it might take 'too long'.
A new coach might get the (same) response sooner.
But please ... Don't ever blame the backs (exclusively) for a match lost in the middle and in the stands.

Btw chill. In 6-8 weeks Cas will be less good and Leeds will be better.
Maybe not good enough mind.

McDermott showed zero sign of 'turning it around' last year until Segeyaro arrived. Based on last year, what evidence is there that he has the capability to turn it around with the existing squad.

We won our two previous games before Segeyaro and only conceded 6 points in those games so people saying it was only Segeyaro is nonsense. Damn right it helped make things easier but there were signs beforehand.