Of the players you're referring to above;

1 - A serial offender with a questionable lifestyle choices and a serious drug addiction
2 - A serial offender with questionable lifestyle choices, drink and recreational drug habits, was a bully as a kid and never grew up out of that mentality - fame and fortune only made him worse
3 - A serial offender with questionable lifestyle choices, drink and drug habits who's had some personal issues
4 - A good 'country' boy, who didn't settle in the bright lights of the city
5 - A bloke who's mixed up in all sorts of bad news, mainly centred around his choice of associates who are heavily linked to drugs, gambling and crime

Now any one or all of these could be suffering from any range of mental health issues and in a couple of cases, I'm sure that is the case, but equally, they could also simply be grade A geese.

People will come out and say maybe drink, drugs, serial offending are all symptoms of a mental health issue, and maybe they are.... Forgive me for being cynical when they only bring this to the table when they're needing the positive press.

The rugby team I'm involved in has blokes with very similar lifestyles as some of the above, are they suffering from mental health issues - no... They're just d!cks, but bet your bottom dollar, if they were in the public eye and getting grief for their behaviour, they'd be happy to trot it out as a 'please forgive me, I'm a battler doing my best' piece.

Having personal issues, misbehaving, losing your job etc etc doesn't mean you've got depression. Going through a tough time, and handling it he wrong way isn't a clinical illness.

As someone whos suffered mental health issues for over 20 years, i could be very cynical about someome leading a chequered life and stating they're having problems. But the reality is that it doesn't discriminate much in the same way that physical illnesses don't, but even though a small minority lie about cancers etc too (even those that live a less than desirable lifestyle) your first response wouldn't be to question whether they're telling the truth would it?! So don't do it with mental illness either!

I think that people need to realise the mental health covers far more than depression. Zak has been through the mill, most of it self inflicted, but that shows that he has a problem with his lifestyle decision making process and that in turn has lead him into a very dark place. Does he have depression - who knows but he definitely needs help from professionals to get him back on track and that means he has a mental health problem. Like Stevie Ward I admire both players for their obvious talent but more so for their bravery in coming out with their problems. Zak made a very salient point. He left because people openly criticised/hated him which I have no doubt compounded his problems. Reading some of the posts on here I can fully understand the issues he has faced and people need to try and understand the issues and stop the toxic old fashioned attitudes on mental health issues that have surfaced on here. I am sure we would be better off with a healthy Zak than putting in a make shift full back who doesn't have the same skill set that Zak has shown previously.

The people who 'will come out and say drink, drugs, serial offending are all symptoms of a mental health issue' are called doctors and mental health professionals. And no i wont forgive you for being cynical about assuming people are using their illness as an excuse because it is a damaging assumption and the complete opposite of reality a recent study of men who had attempted suicide concluded "Almost all men reported that their masculine beliefs led to them isolating themselves when they were feeling down, to avoid imposing on others… and instead, relied on coping strategies that required less immediate effort and provided short-term alleviation of problems, for example, drug or alcohol use, gambling and working excessively, some men reported that adherence to masculine norms meant that feelings associated with being vulnerable provoke greater anxiety than the thought of being dead."

Men arent using having mental health issues as an excuse, they dont hide behind it because it is easy. They are literally killing themselves to avoid admitting they may need help.

You have no idea whether or not these blokes have mental health issues, your certainly not the type of person they would talk to about it. Which is exactly the problem, huge amounts of men like similar lifestyles, self medicating with drugs, indulging risky behaviour, losing their jobs, and just being seen as d1cks, you dont see everything else, you dont see their struggles and problems, the dark thoughts, the fear and anxiety. They wont tell you, and you wont notice, thats why the biggest killer of young men is suicide.

Nobody has said it does, and nobody has said it is.

I am a qualified mental health practitioner, if there are any specific aspects people are unsure of I can try and help.

I actually think rugby league does a lot more than pretty much all other sports in trying to break down mental health and male mental health stigmas in particular.

I agree about rugby league being ahead of other sports.

Interested to know your genuine thoughts on the growing number of 'bad lads' who are 'brave enough' to come out and talk about their mental health issues after they've been caught up to no good.

I get where you are coming from but think that might be a bit of a loaded question.

None of us on here have the foggiest idea about Hardaker's mental health. From my uninformed position of not knowing the man, he appears to go from extremes of highs to lows, in the manner of people with bi-polar traits. Not saying he is because I have'nt a clue.

I had a cousin (no longer with us) a bit older than me who was always changing jobs in the 60's and 70's and always seeming to get into bother. One day my mum (who suffered badly with depression, it effectively led to her early death) explained that my cousin had been diagnosed with a split personality disorder. I listened attentively and then later asked my dad for his opinion.

My old man thought about it for a few seconds and with a straight face replied it was very sad because he did'nt like either of them. My old man never really got it.

IMO Hardaker has done right opening up about it and even if part of it is to elicit sympathy, he is still a young and possibly still fairly immature guy trying to find his way in the world and clearly at times, struggling to do so. I wish him all the best whether that be down under or back in Super league.

I've not learned a lot over the years but as I get older I think the majority of people have to walk a difficult road (to a greater or lesser extent).

So what some have said on here basically is that Hardakers interview is full of lies, though the people suggesting this don't actually know him or the situation. Cynicism in these situations serves only the person who holds that view, and that's great for them until you have a Terry Newton situation.

Jeez people go so over the top on here.

Are you F'in serious?!

Diazepam, tramadol and alcohol. There's his problem. Knock them on the head and he may learn how to cope with life. There are heroin addicts on less lethal cocktails than that.
Talented rugby player. Car crash of a man.
He owes Leeds much better than one outstanding season then going on the p#ss......whatever his justifications.


For all of those who buy into these people who claim to have depression post being 'caught out'.
Symptoms of depression...lethargy, lack of self care, weight loss or gain, insomnia, lack of interest and motivation in anything.
Hmmmm Well turned out managed a game of pro rugby a week (to a much reduced standard this year). Seemed relatively fit Mr Hardaker.

Symptoms of opiate, benzodiazepine and alcohol misuse.....well a much reduced sporting performance for a professional athlete for starters. A focusing on the using of said drugs over other things in their life...lowering of mood, anxiety. That and a whole host of others.

Amazing how these folks who claim to have depression or bi polar always have a severe drug/alcohol misuse problem which is never an issue until caught.

They also never have a personality disorder which is often more clinically accurate.

Mental illness is a catastrophe for people and their families who suffer it. It has horrific and lethal effects. Mental illnesses are very real.

However the continued justification by some (and their employed doctors and lawyers) to justify their appalling behaviour by claiming to be mentally ill when caught (often smashed on drugs and drink) undermines those with the conditions and others attempts to get them recognised as the debilitating, fatal conditions they can be.

100% agreed.

Again it should be pointed out, he never claimed to have depression.

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