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| Quote: Highbury Rhino "Just wasted an afternoon at the Olympic Stadium watching the most ordinary game of RL I've seen for years. Massive showcase, big opportunity to demonstrate why so many of us fans call our game the 'Greatest Game' and we turn in a one dimensional performance of such mind numbing ordinariness that I ended up wondering if Mc Namara was in the pay of the RFU!
I mean all that scooting from dummy half, inside passes to on coming props, a truly awful kicking game, one out football and middle channel ultra dullness! Gee whizz what rubbish - two very ordinary sides! Widdop and Williams at half back?! I mean really!! Hardaker brought nothing to the attack, Bateman is not an international class centre in anyones reckoning.
I'd rather we got tonked throwing the ball about and having a go at playing some expansive/entertaining stuff. What we got was plop!
Opportunity missed on many levels'"
agree with the above, so many people in attendance today who were non diehard league fans, we had a chance to showcase our sport, instead what was on offer was the most turgid lacklustre game of league i have witnessed in many year along with a dire atmosphere,did we create any line breaks? off loading? Graham tried his heart out as always but where was the imagination and spark, awful game
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| Quote: DHM "As a second row playing centre I though Bateman did well today, he certainly put in a very good defensive effort - he hits and sticks like an octopus. But his error count with the ball was pretty poor.
Watkins got given the ball early once and caused havoc, beat defenders and offloaded. Ironically in commentary Jiffy Davies said Hardaker needed to hold onto the ball and pass later. Thankfully Hardaker knows that you give the ball early to Watkins and things happen.
The main problem through out the game was the total predictability of our forwards with the ball. If you are not going to pass and don't threaten an offload as soon as you are caught by a couple of defenders the rest of the defensive line can retreat and get set which is what the Kiwis soon realised they could do - contrast that with England who had to surround the ball carrier and dare not get back until the ref called held or the kiwi attacker was on the ground. We were too easy to defend against. It helps even less when it becomes blindingly obvious that neither of our half backs, but Williams in particular, can't pass to the right.
We didn't attack anywhere but inside the Kiwi 10 metre zone. Hardaker and all the outside backs had absolutely nothing to do on attack, no space, no structure. Even then, if FGB had done anything other than face plant the grass we would probably have come away with a draw and a series win today.
The easiest thing a poor coach can do is get the defence right, they should be judged on how their teams use the ball.
And, finally, our kicking game was absolute sh**e - again. Field position is so critical in international rugby, we failed spectacularly to put anything resembling a decent kick in. A shame because the defensive effort was absolutely mammoth and the player should be commended for the commitment they showed.'"
Agree with that.
The kicking game in particular is annoying because if you're going to play such as simple a gameplan as McNamara is then your kicking is vital. It was rubbish. Did we even put 1 decent high bomb up?
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| Quote: ThePrinter "However, how he performs for England (who only get to play together a few times a year) under McNamara versus International sides
Doesn't confirm how he'd perform for Leeds (who play together weekly) under McDermott versus Super League sides.'"
So if he moved to Leeds, he'd suddenly develop a good long kicking game?
If he moved to Leeds, he'd suddenly start being able to pass to the right accurately? He'd become a dominant voice in the side and a competent organiser?
These are skills you've either got or you haven't. The level of the opposition is irrelevant to whether you can do these things, and on the evidence of his performances in an England shirt Widdop can't.
Like I said, he's decent when he's surrounded by world class players. When the responsibility is put on him to be the main man, his deficiencies are exposed.
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| Quote: Andy Gilder "So if he moved to Leeds, he'd suddenly develop a good long kicking game?
If he moved to Leeds, he'd suddenly start being able to pass to the right accurately? He'd become a dominant voice in the side and a competent organiser?
These are skills you've either got or you haven't. The level of the opposition is irrelevant to whether you can do these things, and on the evidence of his performances in an England shirt Widdop can't.
Like I said, he's decent when he's surrounded by world class players. When the responsibility is put on him to be the main man, his deficiencies are exposed.'"
That you can't see any difference in being able to be a dominant voice and organiser in a side that comes together for one month a year and a side that would play together week in week out in extremely alarming.
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| Quote: ThePrinter "That you can't see any difference in being able to be a dominant voice and organiser in a side that comes together for one month a year and a side that would play together week in week out in extremely alarming.'"
No what is really alarming is that you won't acknowledge or can't see that Widdop hasn't got the basic skill set at the correct level to be a dominant half back in any elite league arena.
If he can't be an organiser in a side desperate for someone to fill that role given the time span of the camp - how is he ever going to be the organiser of a team that has already established a method of playing and inbuilt hierarchy?
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| Williams and Bateman should both be dropped, but as McNamara is using this as a warm up for the World Cup, and wants to blood young players, I think he'll stick with the same team. Luke Gale deserves a shot (although McGuire should be at 7 anyway) and God only knows what Shenton and Cudjoe must be thinking. World's best winger, and they stick a half decent second row as his centre. McNamara out!
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| Williams looked like the speed of the game was to fast for him. So many times he got the ball, looked to pass but then held on and got clobbered. I lost count. As the senior half back widdop was poor. Offered nothing.
Shame that the game was so poor. The crowd was good with so many new people I can't help but thinking that they won't bother next time.
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| Quote: Andy Gilder "Bit of a wake up call for some on here who thought Widdop would have been an excellent signing.
He's been carried through his NRL career by those around him, very ordinary player. Can't command a team or grab the game by the scruff of the neck in the same way that such as Sinfield did.'"
This is totally the kind of guff we have had to read about Sinfield for well over 10 years from other clubs fans.
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| Quote: sgtwilko "This is totally the kind of guff we have had to read about Sinfield for well over 10 years from other clubs fans.'"
I agree with you. However, i watch very little NRL these days and have not seen anything of Widdop TBH. Is he a totally different player for St George than the one we get to see for England? because imo he has had a fair crack of it the last few years while others have taken stick and has rarely if ever performed above average in an England shirt.He was pretty woeful yesterday, however not alone. He does need to start playing better than that as senior half back now or people are rightly going to criticise, comes with the territory.
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| Quote: Biff Tannen "I agree with you. However, i watch very little NRL these days and have not seen anything of Widdop TBH. Is he a totally different player for St George than the one we get to see for England? because imo he has had a fair crack of it the last few years while others have taken stick and has rarely if ever performed above average in an England shirt.He was pretty woeful yesterday, however not alone. He does need to start playing better than that as senior half back now or people are rightly going to criticise, comes with the territory.'"
He has hardly played in the halfs for England up until now. Last week on winning there were a lot of plaudits, including those critisizing now. Difference is we lost this week.
All we ever hear about on these boards is how good the NRL is and how only the best players can play in that league. This lad has been standing out for a few years now in that comp, and now it is only because of the players around him.
Many players play to their best because of the players around them. There have been quite a few at Leeds over last decade who have benefited from that. The fact people are talking about McGuire is laughable, as he can't organise a pish up in a brewery. The key is picking the right attributes to compliment others, just Like Leeds have done. Yesterday said more about the England team, where there were many poor performances, than it said about Widdop.
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| Quote: Superted "Like I say, Widdop is a decent player - he's just not as good as some over here like to think. Some believe in the hype just because he's in the NRL - but in reality, he played the 'safe and steady' role Melbourne have asked plenty of average players in the past to play, and although he's had some good games at the Dragons, he's hardly set the world alight - he's been steady away with a few very good performances and a few anonymous ones, but mainly just a steady Eddie!!!
Would he be a good addition to our team, yes..... Would he be 'marquee' or 'world class' - not in my book!
I don't see him as a leader - so as Sinfields replacement what would we get - better running game and much quicker, decent defense, but nowhere near the same level of kicking game (out of hand or place kicking), and nowhere near the game management skills.... Bit unfair to compare him to Sinfield though I suppose as we'll need to adapt to life without him...'"
A post from back in July when people were calling for us to sign Widdop - I've always maintained he's an average Joe - some people are fooled into thinking he's great because he plays in the NRL - those people clearly don't watch him often... He has the odd good game, but is generally average to anonymous.... Certainly isn't a leading/organising half - his game management is pretty much non-existent, he's just a running threat....
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| Quote: Gotcha "He has hardly played in the halfs for England up until now. Last week on winning there were a lot of plaudits, including those critisizing now. Difference is we lost this week.
All we ever hear about on these boards is how good the NRL is and how only the best players can play in that league. This lad has been standing out for a few years now in that comp, and now it is only because of the players around him.
Many players play to their best because of the players around them. There have been quite a few at Leeds over last decade who have benefited from that. The fact people are talking about McGuire is laughable, as he can't organise a pish up in a brewery. The key is picking the right attributes to compliment others, just Like Leeds have done. Yesterday said more about the England team, where there were many poor performances, than it said about Widdop.'"
He has 18 caps for England. A few from the bench fair enough,but he is also 26 now and in his prime so is no rookie. Do tell me about a game he has played above average in, because i can't think of one and that includes last week, imo. I agree with what you say regards benefiting from players around him, Obviously Widdop has benefited more than most when he played for the Storm. Like i say, he needs to show more than he has or he will be criticised with the reputation he brings and now as the senior half.
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| Quote: Superted "A post from back in July when people were calling for us to sign Widdop - I've always maintained he's an average Joe - some people are fooled into thinking he's great because he plays in the NRL - those people clearly don't watch him often... He has the odd good game, but is generally average to anonymous.... Certainly isn't a leading/organising half - his game management is pretty much non-existent, he's just a running threat....'"
Well, like i said i don't watch him in the NRL, but what i have seen for England in the past and in this series so far i wouldn't want to see us spending the big bucks on him.
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| Most of the time when England halves have been poor is because the pack has been on the back foot.That was not the case yesterday. England's pack did a good job and got us going forward. Our halves had no ability to get the ball to our danger players. Having a second row at centre didn't help either
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