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Quote: Gotcha "You sure you can honestly say that without blinkers on Gareth?

He is certainly a damn good winger. But he is miles behind Briscoe, Watkins, Monaghan, and Foster so far this season, in that position.'"


What is your evidence for making that statement?

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Quote: Gotcha "Agreed on the metres. Although because of Leeds tactics he does do an anwful lot more carries than any other winger in the league. And been the biggest of them all you would expect that. Not that it matters, because it's what he does for Leeds that counts. So drop Foster off the list I said because his metres are not all that special.

Briscoe is certainly above Hall in all facets this year so far though. Who's that Salford lad aswell again that you sometimes mention?
What is your evidence for saying that?
I don't have an issue with Briscoe, I think he's an excellent winger who IMV would strengthen any Team in superleague.

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For me hall and briscoe are the best two wingers for England shirt and both up there as best in SL

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we must remeber that a winger running and jumping will get higher than staning and springing up and like others have said it is about kick pressure to take away accuracy from the kicking team.

in a way NE may have a point we seem to be getting a few injuries to some of the old guard and saints have done okay with the kids they put in they get experience by playing but that is what the coach is paid to do by blooding youngsters for the future & winning with a successful team

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Quote: nantwichexile "Bet you're a real charmer.'"


Actually, yes I am icon_smile.gif

I don't post to regularly on here but i do read it every day. Nothing persoanl, but your posts infuriate me to the point where i feel i just have to post.

You always insist on bring in unproven kids, changing watkins to LC and now you want to move Hall to centre! its a joke.

I am with Gareth on this one. Hall is without a doubt one of the top 2 wingers in the comp and i would not change him for any other winger. Sometimes i think we take him for granted a little bit. he should remain exactly where he is out side uncle Keith.

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Quote: G1 "Not sure. His biggest supporter only produces his stats once every six or seven weeks after an impressive display. Most weeks they don't appear on the stats thread.'"


Broughton's stats never appear or belong on the weekly Leeds stat thread unless:

1) Leeds are playing Salford

or

2) There had been some discussion concerning a Broughton performance.

I offered to include Broughton's stats the following week but you didn't reply (which I took as a 'meh' response) so have left them off ever since.

Would you like me to include them weekly? Anyone else, Gibson, Diskin ect ?

Others can be made available on request with prior notice.

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Quote: tvoc "Broughton's stats don't appear or belong on the Leeds stat thread unless
Or

3) He's had a pretty good game so you think it proves your point.

I'm not too concerned to see them. I arrive at an opinion when I see him play us or when Salford are on the telly (if I can stay awake during such fare).

I'm sorry of I didn't reply to you. I get a lot of posts on here that require my attention and it's not always easy to keep up, especially during the weeks when the Buderus worship requires some tempering.

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Quote: G1 "Or

3) He's had a pretty good game so you think it proves your point.'"


You have no evidence to back that up other than the second reference point in my reply.

I'd include them every week if your (3) was a qualifying criteria.

Quote: G1 "I'm not too concerned to see them. I arrive at an opinion when I see him play us or when Salford are on the telly (if I can stay awake during such fare).'"


In which case I'll continue to leave them off (reference (1) above excepted) until you request otherwise. If I was looking to point score I'd be pro-active, which I'm not, so I remain reactive.

Quote: G1 "I'm sorry of I didn't reply to you. I get a lot of posts on here that require my attention and it's not always easy to keep up, especially during the weeks when the Buderus worship requires some tempering.'"


I appreciate you're a busy man and have many fans to appease. Apology accepted although a little more grovelling would be appreciated in future.

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Quote: peeping through the knot hole of my father's wooden leg?
[quote:2xpsqx81]I appreciate you're a busy man and have many fans to appease.'"
:2xpsqx81]I'm quite popular around these parts. recently juanc ornetto and unremarkable rhinos [size=50:2xpsqx81](she'll love that one)[/size:2xpsqx81] have taken a shine.

[quote:2xpsqx81]Apology accepted although a little more grovelling would be appreciated in future.'"
:2xpsqx81]I get asked for a lot of those on here these days. I might as well be offline speaking to the wife if all I am going to do is be told I am wrong and I should apologise. "I'd include them every week if your (3) was a qualifying criteria.'"Pah.

Quote: peeping through the knot hole of my father's wooden leg?
[quote:2xpsqx81]I appreciate you're a busy man and have many fans to appease.'"
:2xpsqx81]I'm quite popular around these parts. recently juanc ornetto and unremarkable rhinos [size=50:2xpsqx81](she'll love that one)[/size:2xpsqx81] have taken a shine.

[quote:2xpsqx81]Apology accepted although a little more grovelling would be appreciated in future.'":2xpsqx81]I get asked for a lot of those on here these days. I might as well be offline speaking to the wife if all I am going to do is be told I am wrong and I should apologise.
"In which case I'll continue to leave them off (reference (1) above excepted) until you request otherwise. If I was looking to point score I'd be pro-active, which I'm not, so I remain reactive. '"You do requests? Do you know "peeping through the knot hole of my father's wooden leg?
Quote: peeping through the knot hole of my father's wooden leg?
[quote:2xpsqx81]I appreciate you're a busy man and have many fans to appease.'"
:2xpsqx81]I'm quite popular around these parts. recently juanc ornetto and unremarkable rhinos [size=50:2xpsqx81](she'll love that one)[/size:2xpsqx81] have taken a shine.

[quote:2xpsqx81]Apology accepted although a little more grovelling would be appreciated in future.'":2xpsqx81]I get asked for a lot of those on here these days. I might as well be offline speaking to the wife if all I am going to do is be told I am wrong and I should apologise.
"I appreciate you're a busy man and have many fans to appease.'"I'm quite popular around these parts. recently juanc ornetto and unremarkable rhinos [size(she'll love that one)[/size have taken a shine.

Quote: peeping through the knot hole of my father's wooden leg?
[quote:2xpsqx81]I appreciate you're a busy man and have many fans to appease.'"
:2xpsqx81]I'm quite popular around these parts. recently juanc ornetto and unremarkable rhinos [size=50:2xpsqx81](she'll love that one)[/size:2xpsqx81] have taken a shine.

[quote:2xpsqx81]Apology accepted although a little more grovelling would be appreciated in future.'":2xpsqx81]I get asked for a lot of those on here these days. I might as well be offline speaking to the wife if all I am going to do is be told I am wrong and I should apologise.
"Apology accepted although a little more grovelling would be appreciated in future.'"I get asked for a lot of those on here these days. I might as well be offline speaking to the wife if all I am going to do is be told I am wrong and I should apologise.

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Foster is a carthorse from what I've seen. Briscoe could be OK, but even putting Watkins on the list as a better winger than Hall is bizarre given he hasn't actually achieved anything for Leeds yet (4 tries against Wakey hardly counts).

Hall could look at the way he deals with kicks. I hope he is. One way I've seen wingers deal with the stationary issue is to purposely run a few yards out of position when a kick is made, allowing them to run/jump at the ball. Sometimes though it just isn't possible.

FWIW I think Hall's pretty solid, although if England had any star wingers he wouldn't get picked.

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Quote: AL Rhino "Actually, yes I am
No problem icon_biggrin.gif

But you are no doubt a traditionalist who does not like change. Bet you go to the same B&B at the same resort same time every year icon_wink.gif

I am simply an advocate of giving the young uns a chance (sorry if that "infuriates" you).

The club made the mistake recently in losing one good young un at least (Broughton)...I don't want to see the same mistake being made again owing to a persistence in selecting old past their best individuals, or worse, average at best antipodeans.

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Quote: tvoc "
Would you like me to include them weekly? Anyone else, Gibson, Diskin ect ?
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Please, please, PLEASE for the love of God do NOT include Diskin's stats weekly. I really don't think I can handle a weekly comparison discussion.

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Quote: Remarkable_Rhinos "Please, please, PLEASE for the love of God do NOT include Diskin's stats weekly. I really don't think I can handle a weekly comparison discussion.'"

Might as well have the stats the diskin comparrison happens every week anyway

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Quote: Remarkable_Rhinos "Please, please, PLEASE for the love of God do NOT include Diskin's stats weekly. I really don't think I can handle a weekly comparison discussion.'"


<Condescending David Cameron Mode On>

Calm down dear.

</Mode Off>

Sometimes in life you have to confront your fears. If you opt to avoid a situation the problem can becomes worse.

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Quote: tvoc "<Condescending David Cameron Mode On>

Calm down dear.

</Mode Off>

Sometimes in life you have to confront your fears. If you opt to avoid a situation the problem can becomes worse.'"


I intend to avoid all situations until I die, at which point, somebody else can deal with them.

It's a skill.

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