If you asked most Wigan fans to name players who should certainly be in the squad (from the Wigan team) then I'm sure O'Loughlin, Sam and Joel Tomkins would be their first choices.

Sort of agree, but would not limit it to age.

More a case of no need for the older ones who have proved themselves already. The likes of Peacock, Morley, Sinfield should not be utilized in this game.

But some players over 25 are not international regulars and are showing form warrenting international selection, and therefore I would not disclude them.

To me, Lynch and Bailey are an example of that for pushing for a chance in this game, but there are others.

An under 25's team would be interesting. I think older guys like Lynch and Langley deserve a shot but a 25's side would aid development of certain players.

I'm thinking something like-

Tansey
Cudjoe
Shenton
Bridge
Riley
S Tomkins
Eastmond
Graham(c)
Lunt
S Burgess
Harrison
Ablett
J Tomkins

subs
Scruton
Mossop
Westerman
Roby

From Leeds I'd say Hall. Even though his form hasn't quite lived up to last year he's still the best English winger by some distance, not that it's hard to be so with the dearth of quality outside backs.

I'd have suggested Ablett had he not missed so much game time.

Is McGuire done? I'd say no. Tomkins, Eastmond and Myler are exciting young players but need an experienced play maker along side them. Actually the best fit for that role, from Leeds, might actually be Sinfield.

Finally, I'd have Bailey in the mix in readiness for the Autumn. He would most certainly get amongst the antipodeans and upset them.

Mate, that team looks poor on paper, hence why age should not be a barrier for inclusion.

Tansey is a shocking choice, and how do you get players like Riley in ahead of Hall?

Just read the post above yours and seen Hall's name and realised i'd totally forgot about him. He's quite clearly the best English wingman about at the moment.

Tansey is playing pretty well at the moment for Hull but it probably is a sign of a real lack of quality in the outside backs that i'd consider selecting him.

You could also play Sam Tomkins at fullback, McGuire at stand off and Sinfield at hooker (a position he has always played well in for England)

Out of interest can we or any other team call their Club fixture off if they have 3 or more representatives in the England squad.
I would feel uncomfortable having the likes of possibly Smith, Hall, McGuire, Sinfield, Bailey, Ablett, JJB missing as well as probably Peacock and Burrow out injured.
I am not saying all the above would be selected but there could easily be 4 out plus the injuries.

The problem with calling a game off is unless you get a free weekend somewhere further down the line you'll have to play it in midweek meaning (at best) 3 games in 10 days somewhere in the business end of the season.

That's why Leeds have opted to play weakened sides rather than postpone games in previous years.

IMO Lynch is the best all-round prop in SL, but you have to question his commitment to the international arena. Didn't he skip almost certain selection last year to go get married and the year before to get an operation on a wrist injury and be fit for the start of the club season?

I don't get all this can't play three games in 10 days - in Australia they play the week before SOO and the week after three times in a season plus the Anzac day test - and with the best will in the world the intensity here is nowhere close to SOO.

Tomkins full back????

Why not try Eastmond at fullback?

Not a bad team mixed with youth and players in their prime really as its France you can experiment.


1.Eastmond
2.Smith
3.Bridge
4.Atkins
5.Hall
6.S Tomkins
7.McGuire
8.Graham
9.Roby
10.Lynch(Peacock is Injured)
11.J Tomkins
12.Ellis
13.S Burgess

14.Diskin
15.Westwood
16.Scruton
17.Morley

Tonkins went there against Widness and did very well, I do think Eastmond would do a job there also

Been impressed with Murphy this season.

Mathers has also played well and at the moment I cant think of a better English FB than SL.

BJB had a outside chance of playing against France if he was fit.

Think it could be Lee Smith though.

Hard to pick centres and wingers I would go for Hall, Briscoe, Bridge and L Pryce.

We are very blessed in the forwards and players on good form like Scruton and Langley may miss out due to the strenght of our pack, if only we had this strenght in the backs.

Said it before and I'll say it again, I am a big fan of O'Loughlin against the Aussies. His workrate and strength in defence is very useful for getting us on top in the forwards.
My back row would be Ellis, Burgess and O'Loughlin, with a bench definitely containing Joel Tomkins.

Spot on.

The only thing different I may consider would be to move Joel Tomkins into centre and bring Ben Harrison on the bench. We are so short in the outside backs we have to look at all the options and Joel could easily handle a centre spot and would cause all sorts of problems in there.

I'd also play Sinfield at hooker again. It's a poor indication of our game when we have to play certain players out of position but we need to get the best side we possibly can out against the Aussies and Kiwi's.