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| Why? Surely the onus is on clubs to balance their priorities. If they are unable to do so surely this is their fault.
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159.jpg [b:2penstlp][size=200:2penstlp]AP is less than 0.5% interested in the substandard Stupor League.
England's substandard performances in the RLWC08 saw to that.[/size:2penstlp][/b:2penstlp]:159.jpg |
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| Quote: BORORHINO "Has slap (AP) buggered off?'"
I'm still here fatso (some of us do wash and shave ya know), but not for much longer... I've got a grass roots game to attend you see
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159.jpg [b:2penstlp][size=200:2penstlp]AP is less than 0.5% interested in the substandard Stupor League.
England's substandard performances in the RLWC08 saw to that.[/size:2penstlp][/b:2penstlp]:159.jpg |
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| Quote: Lenny The Loiner "Why? Surely the onus is on clubs to balance their priorities. If they are unable to do so surely this is their fault.'"
This isn't the Premiership of Chavball where there is no Salary Cap and the rich clubs can field different teams according to balancing priorities Shag. Not that such luxuries helped Arsenal much this season did it? Bwahahahaha
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| Quote: Agent Provocateur "This isn't the Premiership of Chavball where there is no Salary Cap and the rich clubs can field different teams according to balancing priorities Shag. Not that such luxuries helped Arsenal much this season did it? Bwahahahaha
I believe Arsenal met their objectives for this season of bringing through their younger players, settling into their new ground and qualifying for next years CL. Of course if you know otherwise...
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159.jpg [b:2penstlp][size=200:2penstlp]AP is less than 0.5% interested in the substandard Stupor League.
England's substandard performances in the RLWC08 saw to that.[/size:2penstlp][/b:2penstlp]:159.jpg |
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| Quote: Atticus Lenny "I believe Arsenal met their objectives for this season of settling for being e throughout 2006-2007 and choking at every crucial stage, just like Leeds Rhinos will actually...'"
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| Quote: DoubleAone "Trouble is.. if you dance with the devil... he gets to pick the tune (and he leads
God bless Uncle Mo
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| Quote: Agent Provocateur "Quite
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22618.jpg Sintellins fans will dish it out but can't take it back.:22618.jpg |
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| The super league is the be all and end all now, what with the grand final and all the razzmatazz that surrounds it.
Who really cares about leeds v workington?
The games in the early rounds are non events and as such get low attendances. Interest grows when it get's to quarter final stage but even then it's ''well if we can't win super league we'll have that'' kind of situation.
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| Quote: Atticus Finch "I believe Arsenal met their objectives for this season of bringing through their younger players, settling into their new ground and qualifying for next years CL. Of course if you know otherwise...'"
Arsenal's objectives were to win things. Read what the players have said in recent weeks about how dissapointed they have been and how they have blown it.
Arsenal failed this season, if you want to delude yourself go right ahead.
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| Quote: JackBauer "Arsenal's objectives were to win things. Read what the players have said in recent weeks about how dissapointed they have been and how they have blown it.
Arsenal failed this season, if you want to delude yourself go right ahead.'"
Of course the players are disappointed, it is every player's desire in every sport to win things. This is not the same as it being the club's objectives for the season.
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| Quote: Agent Provocateur "It's not about primarily about losing form... it's about priorities and taking your eye off Super League when still involved in the latter stages of the MM Cup. That's why Saints only just scraped past Quins at home 30-24 and beat Wakey 52-36 just prior to the MM Cup Final last year. And this from a team whose defence was rock solid all year apart from that particular period. Then they fielded a weakened team away at Catalans Dragons, basically throwing the game.
This is also the same period that saw Leeds lose at home to Stains, away at Hull and at home to Wigan, though you have to take into account Leeds familiar late season chokes as well. And what about the all-conquering Hull KR from NL1 last year? Their run in the MM Cup meant they lost to Leigh twice, 18-22 and 12-36, then got thrashed away at Whitehaven 48-12 in the run-up to their MM Cup Semi Final.
The previous year, Hull lost at home to London and Wigan prior to their late MM Cup involvement, and then went on a disasterous losing run immediately after beating Leeds at the Millennium. Saints scraped past Leigh away 27-20 as they had the MM Cup Semi on their minds, and Leeds got trounced 42-10 by the Bulls at Headingley.
There is clear evidence that MM Cup involvement in the shape of MM Cup Semi Finals and Finals affects those clubs focus, results and form in Super League throughout that period and that shouldn't be allowed to happen.'"
Should we hope leeds to get knocked out early so they can focus on SL, and pray they don't have their annual season end of slump?
..(though the last time we got knocked out early in 04 we managed to carry our form through)
Or should we concentrate mainly on the CC as our best chance of silverware?
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| Quote: "The SL clubs enter the compeition at the last 16 stage - this will leave 4 place availble for the top sides in NL1 such as Castleford. The competition should then be able to provide TV with 2 good games per round.'"
I agree. It's something I've supported for some time.
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| I love the cup the excitment waiting for draw etc you dont get that in play offs or sl.
Super league is a joke anyway why worry about losing 1 game cause it doesnt matter anyway just play well in 6 games at end of season.
Hence why saints had no threats of putting out a acdamy team to play catalan.
I just been watching a very enjoyable game of rl involving a nl club and sl team lot better than most of games of super league this year.
If leeds was in the nl it'd be all we'd be talking about playing super league teams why take out the lower teams chance to play big guns.
If anything the cup shows us what we need to do to develop the lower leagues which rfl ignore and make no effort to help them.
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| I think the role of the CC going forward ought to be primarily about promoting the game outside SL. As a result I'm certainly not in favour of scrapping it. And making it pre-season would simply lengthen the season.
I'm not sure that at the moment the rules allow for teams to intentionally field weakened sides, but IMO SL sides should be allowed to do that in the CC. That way if a SL side decides to concentrate on the Cup (e.g. because they may be at best mid-table) they can choose to compete and field strong sides. Alternatively, a side scrapping for survival/top spot might choose to field a virtual Academy side. I guess it would end up being like the League Cup then - some top names getting knocked out early, one or two SL sides fighting for it, and possibly one or more heavyweight sides involved at the final stages.
An alternative would be to force all SL sides to field a minimum number of U-21 players (i.e. outside the 20:20 or whatever the system is now) - say 5. That would have the benefit of giving first team games to a number of youngsters but with perhaps enough star players to keep the gloss on the comp for lower league sides.
I know this isn't ideal as non-SL fans would want to watch top SL sides against their team, but it's probably getting towards the time that a decision was made en masse by SL, and not individual teams, and if it came down to it, I'd rather lose the CC than weaken SL.
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icons077e_files/5454-3678dentheman-msnicons.jpg Your job is to say to yourself on a job interview does the hiring manager likes me or not. If you aren't a particular manager's cup of tea, you haven't failed -- you've dodged a bullet.:icons077e_files/5454-3678dentheman-msnicons.jpg |
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| What about a handicapping system?
For example a NL2 side gets between 40 and 50 points starts depending on their finishing positioning.
NL1 sides get between 20 to 30 points start.
The only problem you would have if don't get one of the top 4 clubs getting to the final you will have a half empty stadium?
Say Wakefield v Huddersfield final - 50k max.
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