. If only it was so simple. Surely he's been on the blower to your "kicking guru" Mr Alred who can turn him into Sinfield MK2 with simple psychological sessions and hours of practice. I am thinking of doing the same and winning millions of pounds at the World Darts by hours of practice at the same repetitive arm action. Hardaker will never be a top kicker, I hate to say it, but there we go.

We don't truly know what level he is currently at because he hasn't kicked week in week out for an extended period, with all the different types of kicks and game situations for us to get a kick % and fairly judge him. To say he will never be a top kicker is foolish at this stage. If after half the season he's sitting in the late 70's percentage wise, then it's possible he can bring that into the mid 80's over time which would make him a very good kicker.

we all knew this thread was coming once Sinfield retired, thought we may have gone a few games before it happened but here we go.

we were so blessed for the last 15 years having such a high level kicker, and one who you just knew would get the pressure kicks ala the one missed last night at the end. I'm not sure if Hardaker is the answer but he needs time to improve and get experience which you only get kicking on game day.like flex says, if his percentages are in the 70s mid season that will show he has the scope to improve over time and work at getting it to the top level. Looking around at other sides i don't think there are that many great kickers in SL right now.Pat Richards is probably head and shoulders above the rest but nobody else stands out

I would say it's foolish to think that after months, hours and hours of practice , that a naturally gifted kicker could only muster the attempt that Zak made last night with 3 minutes to go. As Zak said himself, "Aww, that's fu**in s**t". If anyone wants a bet that Zak Will be our regular kicker for the next few years then give me a figure and let's get some dough on.

Hell of a lot of short memories or many who don't know just how poor Sinfield was when he first took over the kicking duties missing many as easy and in some games easier than the 2 Zak missed last night.
It took Kev 12/18mths to get as consistent as we all know him to be and just like Sutty last year the knives are out already for Zak after 3 attempts in a proper game!!
It wont happen for anyone with 1 pre-season and a cv as a P/T goal kicker under there belt i said last year Sutty was a GK for the Acadamy but its very different at 1st team level but no he was deemed not good enough now Zak is getting the same.
Fwiw Lilley is also a very good GK just as Sutty was at u19 level but lets not forget at the moment he's finding his feet whilst also getting played out of position.
Whoever kicks will miss at some point it happens but declaring them not good enough after 3 yes 3 real attempts have a word FFS!

Spot on!

While I agree practice and time are only going to improve Hardaker's success rate, he looked a long long way from being a SL standard kicker.
Sinfield may well have improved over the years but I don't remember his technique been as poor as Hardaker's as a starting point.
I would let him carry on for now if he feels that he can master it, but if things show no signs of improvement after a few weeks then it may be time to look at other options.

You can assess improvement during the week. No point letting Zak arrive on match day and asking him to kick if during training he hasn't progressed. We have already seen what we will get with zero improvement. If a better kicker is on the pitch then it goes to him. Lilley is better.

I always though burrow was quite a good kicker. I guess the same applies as it does to lilley in that he may not be on the field all the time. But then I don't see the problem in passing over the duties when he comes on. May take a bit of pressure off Hardaker, whilst still giving him opportunity to practise kicking first team until eventually taking over completely or, giving it to Lilly when he plays more regularly. Who to me seems very natural kicker, level headed and full of confidence.

Quote: Joshheff90 "I always though burrow was quite a good kicker. I guess the same applies as it does to lilley in that he may not be on the field all the time. But then I don't see the problem in passing over the duties when he comes on. May take a bit of pressure off Hardaker, whilst still giving him opportunity to practise kicking first team until eventually taking over completely or, giving it to Lilly when he plays more regularly. Who to me seems very natural kicker, level headed and full of confidence.'" Agree with all of this posting.php?mode=quote&f=17&p=18282852#

Quote: Joshheff90 "I always though burrow was quite a good kicker. I guess the same applies as it does to lilley in that he may not be on the field all the time. But then I don't see the problem in passing over the duties when he comes on. May take a bit of pressure off Hardaker, whilst still giving him opportunity to practise kicking first team until eventually taking over completely or, giving it to Lilly when he plays more regularly. Who to me seems very natural kicker, level headed and full of confidence.'" Agree with all of this posting.php?mode=quote&f=17&p=18282852#

Just as a matter of interest (and I collect the figures so why not post them) here is a complete list of Leeds kickers used over the period 2004 to (and including) Friday night's game80.86
Rob Burrow ….. 173 ….. 127 ….. 73.41
Zak Hardaker ….. 66 ….. 40 ….. 60.61
Liam Sutcliffe ….. 55 ….. 33 ….. 60.00
Lee Smith ….. 44 ….. 34 ….. 77.27
David Furner ….. 18 ….. 11 ….. 61.11
Ashley Gibson ….. 12 ….. 9 ….. 75.00
Liam Botham ….. 6 ….. 0 ….. 0.00
Jordan Tansey ….. 5 ….. 3 ….. 60.00
Danny McGuire ….. 3 ….. 0 ….. 0.00
Matt Adamson ….. 1 ….. 0 ….. 0.00
Barrie McDermott ….. 1 ….. 0 ….. 0.00
Gareth Ellis ….. 1 ….. 1 ….. 100.00
Jordan Lilley ….. 1 ….. 1 ….. 100.00
….. ….. ….. ….. ….. ….. …..
….. ….. ….. ….. ….. ….. …..
Total ….. 2361 ….. 1856 ….. 78.61

If Lilley starts he kicks and if he doesn't then Zak kicks and we hope he improves. But it should be said a club of Leeds stature should be able to obtain a 75-80% ratio kicker

On that percentage it's a no-brainer. Lilley must be the kicker (Sinfield eat your heart out)

From where? I suspect relatively few RL kickers exceed 75% and of those that do, how many would you want to see displaying their non-kicking game in a Leeds shirt?