Are they really? Or are they just competing in the same market place?

if thats the case why give them a selling pitch in our hq

Are you seriously concerned that, at the local level in Leeds, the RU club can harm our market share?

That too is my impression, it doesn't fit with the agenda's of some, but there you are.

In what specific way ?

i just have to listen to messrs iain robertson , brian moore. and that journalist who makes a living writing anti league lies and bias Stephen Jones

I see, and you believe that those dinosaurs with very old and entrenched personal beliefs are representative of the whole of the English Rugby Union do you ?

There are people who still believe that Superleague was a bad thing, that we should still play through the winter, and that Featherstone and Dewsbury should be as far south as the game should go - do you think that those people represent your views too ?

Have you ever spoken to a coach at a rugby union club ?

Using a rational and objective view point, you are quite correct. However, 115 years of persecution (perhaps a little strong but, hey the hatred runs deep) is very difficult to clear away.

For what it's worth, I couldn't really give a toss about Leeds Carnegie or any other RU club for that matter. Its a morally bankrupt sport that could only be made interesting if played by 30 naked glamour models (oh, the irony).

Somebody is interested.

4/9/09 Sharks 15 - 12 Tigers 8,751
5/9/09 Saracens 18 - 14 L Irish 67,684
6/9/09 Saints 20 - 17 Worcester 12,073
6/9/09 Leeds 9 - 9 Falcons 7,144
6/9/09 Gloucester 24 - 5 Bath 12,815

The hostility ran pretty deep for a great many years so whilst I'd expect attitudes to be changing and younger administrators to show alot of respect for their rival code, I'm equally sure there is plenty of hostility still present. Give it another 20 years and it should be gone completely.

Not that that's of any relevance to a discussion on the merits of Leeds Carnegie though.

was that the one at wembley? If so there were NEVER 68k there.

Mr Jones has been on good behaviour for a litttle while, been sticking to the subject he knows most by

It was Twickenham, and I can't claim to have counted every person in the ground.

Yeah, there will have been some in the bar or toilets when you did their section.

As you know, I'm involved in a small way at a local RU club which runs ten teams in all age groups and has a range of RU-qualified coaching staff from enthusiastic fathers helping out to dyed-in-the-wool ex-playing members, none of whom fit the mould of chinless wonder rah-rahs, all of whom use rugby league as the blueprint for set piece moves and defending.

There is a hell of a lot of respect for RL in the Union game and I have yet to hear anyone wish for its demise.

Not that any of that suits the arguments of the oppressed victims point of view of course.