You lot have got short memories. Kieron Cunningham kept Roby out of the starting hooker position until he retired from playing. He wouldn't have kept Roby out if the hooker role for 6 seasons, and score about a third more tries (in less games), featured in the Super League Dream Team more times, and voted in as hooker for the "Greatest Ever Super League Team" if Roby was better.

The 2006 St Helens team would destroy the current one. I don't know where people get that the current team is the greatest Super League or Saints team ever. They looked clueless without Roby's leadership when things started to go wrong on Friday.

Spot on OWL.
Wilkin immediately jumped on Myler suggesting he only stayed down so it would get looked at.
Barrie Mac pulled him up on it after seeing a replay.
Wilkin mumbled away but still suggested that players are only staying down so incidents get looked at.
Ridiculous. Incidents should always get looked at to see if there is foul play!

Wilkin is a massive closet Strictly fan and is obviously 'Team Helen'....

I'm a lifelong Leeds fan, but I find the "doing down" of the current Saints team tedious. The facts are: They have won four in a row, they have finished top three out of four times, they have lost a handful of games (some of them when putting out weakened sides) and they have just beaten the Australian champions in Australia, something only the great Wigan side of the 90's could manage. Revisionist blue and amber recollections regarding the standard of the league when Leeds were top dogs don't hold water. There were a few good sides, many average ones, and some absolute dross. Leeds fans need to stop living in the past and focus on now. Rant over.

Keep your feet on the ground and do try to be less hysterical. Most posters on here and red vee are generally fair minded. Sculthorpes after match summary along with Wellens was fair and reasonable. It was only one game at the start of a long season. As for Roby without doubt he has been the stand out hooker in the super league era. Both on and off the field, as for Welsby he is still young,potentially he has the talent for a successful career. Unfortunately at the moment he is a bit petulant. Perhaps he should use Roby as a role model. Ref Dodds , have mixed veiws about him. It may have escaped your attention regarding end of the season ,but other teams may have a say as to the position of saints and the rhinos.

I'm making a general point. There is a general trend amongst some Leeds fans to dismiss this Saints team. That said, you are presenting your opinions as facts. You might say the 2006 team was better man for man, but Saints fans might disagree. The facts are: Saints are statistically better than any other side I the history of SL. Are they truly, I don't know, but if they aren't I don’t know who is.

Comparing current teams to former teams is obviously subjective. You can go on forever with endless comparisons, what is undisputed is saints remarkable transformation after the Cunningham failure. Cunningham was a superb player and a decent man it must have been tough to end his saints career in that fashion. Thank goodness Kevin Sinfield managed to avoid that situation.

This St Helens team is the greatest of the super league era. Fact

You can argue against it all you want but you are wrong.

Probably the greatest ever as Wigan won their titles playing against drunks, pit miners and whippet breeders

My particular favourite from the saints site re our short kick offs.

''Put it this way - I'd be very pleased if LEeds decide to spend games against us trying to cheat their way into easy possession like that''

Short kick offs are now cheating

Wigan have won more trophies in history than any other team. Fact. The quality of who they did it against is subjective and not a matter of record. In the same way you could argue saints have won their recent titles in a weak competition with no credible challengers. You can do mental gymnastics and use the super league cut-off, but when that gets rebranded over the coming years it’ll be easier just to use all of history.

These type of dick measuring contests are so tedious. But, Ok yeah, Saints are the greatest and will be until the end of time. Have your lollipop if it makes you feel good.

"When I played the replay back a few times Myler was fairly aware of Hurrell coming in and stepped towards him and released the ball knowing he was going to get impact at a high level. Hurrell himself was very frustrated with the outcome and I don't think it was mean't to be deliberate he's just not that type of player. Most will remember the crash tackle on Johnsone were Hurrell helped him off the floor and asked if he was alright."

The gift that keeps on giving! I was at The Shay the night Konrad ruptured Cameron Ciraldo's pancreas with a big hit so Richie giving him a free shot is either incredibly brave, incredibly stupid or it's just a load of bollox from Redvee again! Hmmmm!

Lol.

You can almost tell who has never played rugby, or any contact sport for that matter, by the ridiculous claims they make.

No-one without a deathwish is going to thrust their chin towards Hurrell's shoulder at speed on purpose. Natural reaction would be to raise the shoulder and protect your face.

I personally don't think Hurrell meant to do it, he just isn't that type of player. But I also know Myler didn't purposefully take the contact either.