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Quote: batleyrhino "Why on earth would we want to front load a players contract so he can up and leave earlier with more in his pockets. This front loading suggestion is crazy.'"


It's good managing if done right. Besides I suspect it's something GH has already been doing all along but in smaller numbers.

Lets say you have 50k free this year. If pay the right player or a few up front then next year you have that same 50k -50k for those wages for a total 100k extra spend.

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Quote: LeedsPokerGuru "

Andy Hay once lined up at Stand Off for us. Does that make him a stand off? Eastwood was signed as a pack player (prop 2nd row).
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bluey once publicly stated he wanted to play Eastwood at Stand Off for New Zealand against Aus

he has also played wing, and played SO more than a couple of times

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Quote: McLaren_Field "Just a curious slant on the news - I heard a statement on Radio Leeds last night from Mr H. to the effect that Eastwood was "on loan" for a year to the Bulldogs. That news story (above) seems to suggest that we are the ones who will "borrow" him in 2010 if his criminal record can be overlooked ?'"


He's not "on loan" anywhere. He's not contracted to Leeds, we don't have him registered with the RFL so we couldn't loan him.

He's signed for tbe Bulldogs with an option exercisable on his behalf to become a Leeds player on 1 December 2009 subject to obtaining visa clearance. It's quite possible that even if he gets a visa he can still refuse to take up that option and remain in the NRL, with the Bulldogs or anyone else.

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Quote: batleyrhino "Why on earth would we want to front load a players contract so he can up and leave earlier with more in his pockets. This front loading suggestion is crazy.'"


Duh....just put a clause in that if the contract is breached, £x has to be paid back. FFS, this isn't difficult.

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The Eastwood fiasco does leave us short of a World class player and it is more than possible that this will come back to haunt us as the season unfolds.

Luckily from a domestic point of view (unluckily from an international standpoint) the standards in superleague are likely to continue to dip for a few seasons yet, until the stream of young homegrown talent - from all clubs not just a few - comes full on board, so we may get away with a relatively underpowered squad this year.

Time will tell

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[quote="Odemwingie":34o3cs52] I hope his career is over.(regarding danny mcguires injury 2010 play offs)[/quote:34o3cs52] [quote="Ewwenorfolk":34o3cs52] I'm glad McGuire got injured, hope he's out for about 10 months[/quote:34o3cs52] [quote="Bulls4Champs2010":34o3cs52]Price, Civ, Beaver, Moz and Wiki. Peacock is not in the catagory of these special players.[/quote:34o3cs52] [quote="McLaren_Field":34o3cs52] To be fair, their teams are also inconsequential to their own fans judging by the amount of traffic that all the other boards get [/quote:34o3cs52] [quote="Warrington Wolf":34o3cs52]If you win the weekly rounds then without doubt you are the champions.[/quote:34o3cs52]:



Quote: Andy Gilder "He's not "on loan" anywhere. He's not contracted to Leeds, we don't have him registered with the RFL so we couldn't loan him.

He's signed for tbe Bulldogs with an option exercisable on his behalf to become a Leeds player on 1 December 2009 subject to obtaining visa clearance. It's quite possible that even if he gets a visa he can still refuse to take up that option and remain in the NRL, with the Bulldogs or anyone else.'"


this is what i thought when i read the artical.

i still think he would be very good for leeds. i hope he comes.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "its also against the SC rules these days isnt it, im pretty sure they changed it after Ali'"


I'm sure I read something about that when Wigan signed Fielden, but I'm not 100% sure if it was for salary cap purposes, or just to stop clubs getting around the 20/25 rule.

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Wigan weren't frontloading contracts though they were offsetting by paying existing players less in the current season to fit new player's wages in. Those reduced contracts being renegotiated into longer deals.

IIRC (and I perhaps don't) Wigan didn't break the salary cap in terms of money spent but they broke the 'spirit' of the cap.

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Quote: Richie "Duh....just put a clause in that if the contract is breached, £x has to be paid back. FFS, this isn't difficult.'"


And how enforceable will that be when the player claims he's injured and won't play? Would you really want to keep a player that wanted to be elsewhere?

It's daft. Pay someone what he is worth on a regular basis without any front loading, or retrospective payments (I understand that's what Saints do/did) after the players contract is up, then there is no room for dispute.

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Quote: batleyrhino "And how enforceable will that be when the player claims he's injured and won't play? '"


Usual rules would apply.

Quote: batleyrhino "Would you really want to keep a player that wanted to be elsewhere?'"


Usual rules would apply.


Quote: batleyrhino "It's daft. Pay someone what he is worth on a regular basis without any front loading, or retrospective payments (I understand that's what Saints do/did) after the players contract is up, then there is no room for dispute.'"

....and we lose players we might have rather kept, or can't sign players we might have wanted to, and waste cap room.

Where did the idea of retrospective payments come from? Now, that's a daft idea, completely the reverse of what I suggested and would leave a team in trouble in later years.

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Quote: batleyrhino "And how enforceable will that be when the player claims he's injured and won't play? Would you really want to keep a player that wanted to be elsewhere?

It's daft. Pay someone what he is worth on a regular basis without any front loading, or retrospective payments (I understand that's what Saints do/did) after the players contract is up, then there is no room for dispute.'"
If the contract is worth £450 over four years and we have shed loads of cap space now it makes perfect sense to front load.

Let's say, for example, burrow has two years left on his current deal. re-negotiate, giving him a 4 year deal with higher wages in the 1st two years than the last two. He earns more, gets longer term security and we have a lower cap hit in years 3 and 4 of the contract.

It's great salary cap management and a great way to retain players you want to keep.

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Quote: G1 "Let's say, for example, burrow has two years left on his current deal. re-negotiate, giving him a 4 year deal with higher wages in the 1st two years than the last two. He earns more, gets longer term security and we have a lower cap hit in years 3 and 4 of the contract.

It's great salary cap management and a great way to retain players you want to keep.'"


If we assume that Burrow is already receiving his fair settlement under the Leeds pay structure wouldn't they be breaking their own rules to allocate surplus cap money this season and next and if so would that matter?

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May not necessarily be good once tax is worked out for the player. An 40k a year player on a 5 year contract of 60k, 60k, 20k, 20k, would maybe pay more tax than a straight 40k per year. Not sure that would be beneficial to them. They could offset it by having a kick ass pension though icon_wink.gif

Which begs the question, would a company pension count on the salary cap? Its exempt from Tax, so you could argue that it should be exempt from salary cap too

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This is starting to turn into porn for accountants so I am out of the discussion.

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Quote: G1 "This is starting to turn into porn for accountants so I am out of the discussion.'"


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