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| Quote batleyrhino="batleyrhino"Why on earth would we want to front load a players contract so he can up and leave earlier with more in his pockets. This front loading suggestion is crazy.'"
its also against the SC rules these days isnt it, im pretty sure they changed it after Ali
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| Quote batleyrhino="batleyrhino"Why on earth would we want to front load a players contract so he can up and leave earlier with more in his pockets. This front loading suggestion is crazy.'"
It's good managing if done right. Besides I suspect it's something GH has already been doing all along but in smaller numbers.
Lets say you have 50k free this year. If pay the right player or a few up front then next year you have that same 50k -50k for those wages for a total 100k extra spend.
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| Quote LeedsPokerGuru="LeedsPokerGuru"
Andy Hay once lined up at Stand Off for us. Does that make him a stand off? Eastwood was signed as a pack player (prop 2nd row).
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bluey once publicly stated he wanted to play Eastwood at Stand Off for New Zealand against Aus
he has also played wing, and played SO more than a couple of times
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| Quote McLaren_Field="McLaren_Field"Just a curious slant on the news - I heard a statement on Radio Leeds last night from Mr H. to the effect that Eastwood was "on loan" for a year to the Bulldogs. That news story (above) seems to suggest that we are the ones who will "borrow" him in 2010 if his criminal record can be overlooked ?'"
He's not "on loan" anywhere. He's not contracted to Leeds, we don't have him registered with the RFL so we couldn't loan him.
He's signed for tbe Bulldogs with an option exercisable on his behalf to become a Leeds player on 1 December 2009 subject to obtaining visa clearance. It's quite possible that even if he gets a visa he can still refuse to take up that option and remain in the NRL, with the Bulldogs or anyone else.
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| Quote batleyrhino="batleyrhino"Why on earth would we want to front load a players contract so he can up and leave earlier with more in his pockets. This front loading suggestion is crazy.'"
Duh....just put a clause in that if the contract is breached, £x has to be paid back. FFS, this isn't difficult.
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| The Eastwood fiasco does leave us short of a World class player and it is more than possible that this will come back to haunt us as the season unfolds.
Luckily from a domestic point of view (unluckily from an international standpoint) the standards in superleague are likely to continue to dip for a few seasons yet, until the stream of young homegrown talent - from all clubs not just a few - comes full on board, so we may get away with a relatively underpowered squad this year.
Time will tell
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| Quote Andy Gilder="Andy Gilder"He's not "on loan" anywhere. He's not contracted to Leeds, we don't have him registered with the RFL so we couldn't loan him.
He's signed for tbe Bulldogs with an option exercisable on his behalf to become a Leeds player on 1 December 2009 subject to obtaining visa clearance. It's quite possible that even if he gets a visa he can still refuse to take up that option and remain in the NRL, with the Bulldogs or anyone else.'"
this is what i thought when i read the artical.
i still think he would be very good for leeds. i hope he comes.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"its also against the SC rules these days isnt it, im pretty sure they changed it after Ali'"
I'm sure I read something about that when Wigan signed Fielden, but I'm not 100% sure if it was for salary cap purposes, or just to stop clubs getting around the 20/25 rule.
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| Wigan weren't frontloading contracts though they were offsetting by paying existing players less in the current season to fit new player's wages in. Those reduced contracts being renegotiated into longer deals.
IIRC (and I perhaps don't) Wigan didn't break the salary cap in terms of money spent but they broke the 'spirit' of the cap.
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| Quote Richie="Richie"Duh....just put a clause in that if the contract is breached, £x has to be paid back. FFS, this isn't difficult.'"
And how enforceable will that be when the player claims he's injured and won't play? Would you really want to keep a player that wanted to be elsewhere?
It's daft. Pay someone what he is worth on a regular basis without any front loading, or retrospective payments (I understand that's what Saints do/did) after the players contract is up, then there is no room for dispute.
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| Quote batleyrhino="batleyrhino"And how enforceable will that be when the player claims he's injured and won't play? '"
Usual rules would apply.
Quote batleyrhino="batleyrhino"Would you really want to keep a player that wanted to be elsewhere?'"
Usual rules would apply.
Quote batleyrhino="batleyrhino"It's daft. Pay someone what he is worth on a regular basis without any front loading, or retrospective payments (I understand that's what Saints do/did) after the players contract is up, then there is no room for dispute.'"
....and we lose players we might have rather kept, or can't sign players we might have wanted to, and waste cap room.
Where did the idea of retrospective payments come from? Now, that's a daft idea, completely the reverse of what I suggested and would leave a team in trouble in later years.
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| Quote batleyrhino="batleyrhino"And how enforceable will that be when the player claims he's injured and won't play? Would you really want to keep a player that wanted to be elsewhere?
It's daft. Pay someone what he is worth on a regular basis without any front loading, or retrospective payments (I understand that's what Saints do/did) after the players contract is up, then there is no room for dispute.'" If the contract is worth £450 over four years and we have shed loads of cap space now it makes perfect sense to front load.
Let's say, for example, burrow has two years left on his current deal. re-negotiate, giving him a 4 year deal with higher wages in the 1st two years than the last two. He earns more, gets longer term security and we have a lower cap hit in years 3 and 4 of the contract.
It's great salary cap management and a great way to retain players you want to keep.
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