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Quote: Biff Tannen "They very much can.

Out of the remaining fixtures only Widnes and Salford at home and Hull KR and Wakey away can i see us possibly getting anything from.That is another 6/8 points max imo and only if we can improve considerably on Thursdays performance.

The other games are Wigan x2 , Warrington , Hull FC all away and Catalans at home, really can't see us getting owt from them.'"


Why do you think yo'll beat Wakey but not Warrington when Wakey have just beat Warrington.?

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Quote: BrisbaneRhino "If Burrow had gone to GH demanding more playing time following a season we won the treble, I imagine he would have heard nothing but a guffaw.'"


Your wrong there. He instead blocked McDermott signing who he wanted, and backed Burrow.

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So GH said that after the triple winning season (which nearly petered out in part as a result of the injury to Aiton) that he would tell BM to give Burrow more minutes despite signing another hooker?

Ignoring how on earth you'd be made privy to any of that, whilst GH is quite likely to be on top of BM during this season, I would fully expect him to leave pretty much all decisions bar new signings to the coach after the success of last year. He will undoubtedly have held discussions on the team and possible changes, but I doubt very much he would push BM on in-game management before the season starts. And to be frank if he did, BM would have had every right to tell him to get stuffed. At least before the disaster that is this season unfolded.

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Quote: BrisbaneRhino "So GH said that after the triple winning season (which nearly petered out in part as a result of the injury to Aiton) that he would tell BM to give Burrow more minutes despite signing another hooker?

Ignoring how on earth you'd be made privy to any of that, whilst GH is quite likely to be on top of BM during this season, I would fully expect him to leave pretty much all decisions bar new signings to the coach after the success of last year. He will undoubtedly have held discussions on the team and possible changes, but I doubt very much he would push BM on in-game management before the season starts. And to be frank if he did, BM would have had every right to tell him to get stuffed. At least before the disaster that is this season unfolded.'"



I think the problem there mate is you are looking at the wrong position. Look at the season planned start, then you would see it clearer. Burrow wanted out unless he was guaranteed more time, he was not happy last season until Aiton's injury. McDermott wanted to clear the salary cap space and sign an experienced scrum half. Hetherington told McDermott what he was doing. This is well known across the game, and actually it was Burrow's wife that let the cat out of the bag.

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Burrow wasn't guaranteed game time though heading into the season. If Falloon stayed fit and was a success then Burrow could've been sat on the bench for 60 minutes most weeks.

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Quote: ThePrinter "Burrow wasn't guaranteed game time though heading into the season. If Falloon stayed fit and was a success then Burrow could've been sat on the bench for 60 minutes most weeks.'"


Again, looking at the wrong position. What you think might have happened, and what GH asked to happen are two different things. Things might have transpired differently, but not because of players fit to fill the roles.

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So who was the experienced scrum-half then, out of interest?

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Quote: Andy Gilder "So who was the experienced scrum-half then, out of interest?'"


I suppose McDermott would know that. I have not even hear a name mentioned, just the position he wanted. He was right though to be fair to him, at the time, and shown since, for all his other faults.

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Quote: Gotcha "Where have I said we will win all but one? I think you should check again. I said we would lose four of them.

What I will say is that I said you would only win one based on Frosties fixtures. As the last game is at home now, I might be wrong with that.'"


There is still a long way to go for Wakefield so we are all being cautious about gloating with anyone, however, the days when you can look down on Wakefield are slipping away fast Gotcha. Maybe now you'll understand our reaction to some of your comments now you feel the pain of being at the bottom and watching a team with no confidence get beaten every week.

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Quote: PopTart "There is still a long way to go for Wakefield so we are all being cautious about gloating with anyone, however, the days when you can look down on Wakefield are slipping away fast Gotcha. Maybe now you'll understand our reaction to some of your comments now you feel the pain of being at the bottom and watching a team with no confidence get beaten every week.'"


I didn't look down on Wakefield before. I looked at them with the same view I do now. They are a poor quality side with a bit of momentum due to changes made with a coach. That momentum will stop, with the harder games to come, and they will then be in their usual results level.

By contrast, Leeds are an even worse side this season so far, but who after the next couple of games, have the luxury of playing equally poor sides on a run which should see them pick up points they currently do not.

The difference for us, is that you will be back there next season, the season after, and the season after that, continuing until the game finally realises it needs to cast off the poorer clubs from the top division. Once Leeds realise their problems are bigger than floods, SPOTY, a game against New Zealand, and injuries, they will then recover back to what they have been for the last thirteen years.

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Quote: Gotcha "Again, looking at the wrong position. What you think might have happened, and what GH asked to happen are two different things. Things might have transpired differently, but not because of players fit to fill the roles.'"


So he was going to play in the halves then after all the noise the club made about playing Sutcliffe? What assurances would Burrow have that come season start and time to hand in team sheets that McDermott wouldn't stick two fingers up to him and say he's starting Sutcliffe and Burrow will be on the bench.

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Quote: ThePrinter "So he was going to play in the halves then after all the noise the club made about playing Sutcliffe? What assurances would Burrow have that come season start and time to hand in team sheets that McDermott wouldn't stick two fingers up to him and say he's starting Sutcliffe and Burrow will be on the bench.'"


I am not dissagreeing with you. I am telling you what McDermott wanted, what Burrow did, and what Hetheringtons response was. Yes, he could have started what he wanted in the end, but he didn't get Burrow off the payroll in order to sign the player he wanted, and Hetherington gave Burrow assurances. I think the fact that Burrow got the captaincy in McGuires absence, who is the most unlikely captain you could have in a team, tells you all you need to know.

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Quote: Gotcha "I didn't look down on Wakefield before. I looked at them with the same view I do now. They are a poor quality side with a bit of momentum due to changes made with a coach. That momentum will stop, with the harder games to come, and they will then be in their usual results level.

By contrast, Leeds are an even worse side this season so far, but who after the next couple of games, have the luxury of playing equally poor sides on a run which should see them pick up points they currently do not.

The difference for us, is that you will be back there next season, the season after, and the season after that, continuing until the game finally realises it needs to cast off the poorer clubs from the top division. Once Leeds realise their problems are bigger than floods, SPOTY, a game against New Zealand, and injuries, they will then recover back to what they have been for the last thirteen years.'"


I only came on here for a laugh, and I got one. Cheers. icon_cheers.gif

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Glad to oblige. Cheers icon_cheers.gif

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