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Quote: ThePrinter "If we put Baldwinson on the bench instead of Falloon last night and Burrow or Lilley played poorly or got injured then what do we do?'"


You can't possibly cover all eventualities on the subs' bench.... remember at one point in history we only had TWO subs. Eeeh they were the days. McDermott obviously still hankers after them too. He could probably just about manage utilising two subs...I think icon_eek.gif

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Quote: nantwichexile "You can't possibly cover all eventualities on the subs' bench

No you can't but going 4 forwards does make it trickier to cover all eventualities. With the chance to make 10 changes then 4 forwards is unnecessary especially if you have starters out there that you want to/can play big minutes.

I'd always say a bench should be 2 props, 1 second rower, 1 hooker/HB in an ideal world.

If McDermott went a 4 forward bench last night and Burrow limped off early with injury last night then you and others would be lining up to criticise him for not picking Falloon on the bench to cover that.

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Quote: ThePrinter "No you can't but going 4 forwards does make it trickier to cover all eventualities. With the chance to make 10 changes then 4 forwards is unnecessary especially if you have starters out there that you want to/can play big minutes.

I'd always say a bench should be 2 props, 1 second rower, 1 hooker/HB in an ideal world.

If McDermott went a 4 forward bench last night and Burrow limped off early with injury last night then you and others would be lining up to criticise him for not picking Falloon on the bench to cover that.'"


Not IF he had a good reason for not having Faloon on the bench.Four forwards are fine if you have enough versatility in the rest of the forwards. Ablett is a good 'substitute back' and Burrow is a (arguably) adequate 'substitute halfback'

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Quote: nantwichexile "Not IF he had a good reason for not having Faloon on the bench.Four forwards are fine if you have enough versatility in the rest of the forwards. Ablett is a good 'substitute back' and Burrow is a (arguably) adequate 'substitute halfback''"


He didn't have good reason for not having Falloon on the bench until the game unfolded and Burrow's performance said he should say on.

Who plays hooker if Burrow or one of the HB's go off injured? You not going to cover that just so another forward can do a short stint whilst resting your starting forwards?

What good is that extra forward if you don't have the hooker/HB's in place to guide them around?

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Perhaps McDermott was looking to make a statement that he's not happy with Falloo s performances so far.

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Quote: Sir Kevin Sinfield "Perhaps McDermott was looking to make a statement that he's not happy with Falloo s performances so far.'"


So to make a point to an individual, he'd deliberately select him in the 17 and not play him?

He's batsh*t crazy at times, but not that batsh*t crazy.

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No conspiracy about it. It did, as it always does, make sense to have an interchange pivot on the bench. Burrow had one of his best games for quite some time so it made sense to keep him there and McDermott who probably expected to bring Falloon on just either side of HT reacted to what was actually happening on the pitch instead of sticking with a pre-planned interchange, pretty simple really.

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Of course you could have brought Falloon on and had him defend where the hooker usually defends and spell whoever was doing that job. He didn't have to go at dummy half when we had the ball. Burrow could have stayed there. Plenty of other teams have managed to have two hookers on the pitch at the same time.

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Quote: nantwichexile "Are you not too old for blinkered hero worship?
Have our players become so unfit that they need brief respites in each half? We had 3 big forwards to rotate with the 5 that started from the bench. To use Falloon in place of one of these against a big pack would have been a risk based on his susceptibility to leave gaps in the line. Falloon was cover at 9 in case of injury or poor form from Burrow. As neither of these senarios surfaced it was right to leave him on the bench. What would you have said if he had come on and given a try away?

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Quote: Andy Gilder "If the choice is between leaving a clearly fatigued player on when the opposition are moving the ball around chasing the game or getting a fresh set of legs on even if it's just to add some line speed and mobility in defence, I know which one I'd be taking.'"


Which clearly fatigued player are you talking about?

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Quote: DHM "Of course you could have brought Falloon on and had him defend where the hooker usually defends and spell whoever was doing that job. He didn't have to go at dummy half when we had the ball. Burrow could have stayed there. Plenty of other teams have managed to have two hookers on the pitch at the same time.'"


Could've done but the forwards were doing well and it would've robbed us of a proper ball carrier whilst Falloon is stood in the attacking line twiddling his thumbs not knowing what to do with himself as he's not use to not being at dummy half.

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "Have our players become so unfit that they need brief respites in each half? We had 3 big forwards to rotate with the 5 that started from the bench. To use Falloon in place of one of these against a big pack would have been a risk based on his susceptibility to leave gaps in the line. Falloon was cover at 9 in case of injury or poor form from Burrow. As neither of these senarios surfaced it was right to leave him on the bench. What would you have said if he had come on and given a try away?'"


Hypothetical. He could have equally come on and scored a try to give more breathing space. Silly argument.

How many subs would have to go unused for [iyou[/i to consider it folly?

I wonder if the RL reduced the number of subs to three if McDermott would still prefer - and often choose - to go one less

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "Which clearly fatigued player are you talking about?'"


Ablett and Achurch were out on their feet. As said, no problem with leaving Burrow on, but at 20-12 with six minutes left and the forwards blowing it might have been smarter to shore up the middle with a fresh defender. We weren't far away from paying for it.

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Quote: nantwichexile "Hypothetical. He could have equally come on and scored a try to give more breathing space. Silly argument.

How many subs would have to go unused for [iyou[/i to consider it folly?

I wonder if the RL reduced the number of subs to three if McDermott would still prefer - and often choose - to go one less'"


We get it, you don't like the unused sub and on other occasions it's not been wise to do so....:but beating that drum when it was clearly a smart decision to leave the pivots unchanged is stubbornness. Even if Falloon came on for a forward he is still by nature a pivot and could've disrupted the other pivots.

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Quote: nantwichexile "Hypothetical. He could have equally come on and scored a try to give more breathing space. Silly argument.

How many subs would have to go unused for [iyou[/i to consider it folly?

I wonder if the RL reduced the number of subs to three if McDermott would still prefer - and often choose - to go one less'"


Your arguments do appear to have been agenda driven against our coach over the years apart from when you flip flop to say you were wrong every time we have won the various cups and your rugby management ideas appear to be taken from the painting by numbers school or should I say say air fix instructions (boys version) icon_wink.gif

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