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| According to Thalersince he 'knew' this not to be the case [/ithe evidence of the touch judge was therefore unreliable and had to be disregarded .
Therefore: he fell back to the in goal judge who agreed with him that it had been grounded and said it was a try.
There is a certain logic to that - except the in goal judge turned out to be wrong.
C'est la vie, it just made Leeds have to earn the win a little more, which is a good thing in these times of plodding through regular seasons without really trying
Now let there be no more slagging off of our pet referee
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33791.jpg [b:1swa1vwo]Change is inevitable
...except from a vending machine![/b:1swa1vwo]
[quote="BillyRhino":1swa1vwo]So in best IA mode ..<.Possibley World Class, could be the greatest thing since sliced bread....am personally very excited, and confidently expect him to prove my predictions are bang on target.... Alternatively he could be rubbish>
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| Quote: Inflatable_Armadillo "The Referees shall enforce the Laws of the Game and may impose penalties for any deliberate breach of the Laws. He shall be the sole judge on matters of fact except those relating to touch and touch in-goal (see para. 11 below).
[iAccept Touch Judge decision - 10. The Referee shall accept the decision of an official Touch Judge relating to touch and touch in-goal play and to kicks at goal.[/i'"
This, and as you correctly mention kicks at goal, is the only time he does not have final decision!!!
Now, if you are arguing that Thaler gave the try as he, as the ref, clearly felt he grounded the ball and therefore it was not actual a touch in-goal call then I agree... but his touch judge also disagreed with that!!!
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33791.jpg [b:1swa1vwo]Change is inevitable
...except from a vending machine![/b:1swa1vwo]
[quote="BillyRhino":1swa1vwo]So in best IA mode ..<.Possibley World Class, could be the greatest thing since sliced bread....am personally very excited, and confidently expect him to prove my predictions are bang on target.... Alternatively he could be rubbish>
IA mode off. [/quote:1swa1vwo]:33791.jpg |
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| Quote: MjM "According to Thalersince he 'knew' this not to be the case [/ithe evidence of the touch judge was therefore unreliable and had to be disregarded .
Therefore: he fell back to the in goal judge who agreed with him that it had been grounded and said it was a try.
There is a certain logic to that - except the in goal judge turned out to be wrong.
C'est la vie, it just made Leeds have to earn the win a little more, which is a good thing in these times of plodding through regular seasons without really trying
If that is indeed from the 'horses mouth' then surprise, surprise... I told you that is what he would say!
He does know the rules and on reflection he knows he has no choice but to say that, even then he is still on dodgy ground overruling his touch judge in strict accordance with the laws.
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| Mr Armadillo, you are missing someting,you are right that the TJ rules if the ball has gone out of play and he waved his flag to indicate that
the issue was if the ball was grounded before that, the referee rules on tries and did so as he had the opinion it had been grounded before that (probably with the help of the ingoal judge - i think the term in goal shows what he is there for and what he is there to assist/rule on)
it is common for a TJ to raise the flag to indicate the ball or player are in touch but a preceding incident in the field of play mean the referee awards a decision based on that, its not overruling the TJ in those incidents or this one
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33791.jpg [b:1swa1vwo]Change is inevitable
...except from a vending machine![/b:1swa1vwo]
[quote="BillyRhino":1swa1vwo]So in best IA mode ..<.Possibley World Class, could be the greatest thing since sliced bread....am personally very excited, and confidently expect him to prove my predictions are bang on target.... Alternatively he could be rubbish>
IA mode off. [/quote:1swa1vwo]:33791.jpg |
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| Quote: Hopie "Mr Armadillo, you are missing someting,you are right that the TJ rules if the ball has gone out of play and he waved his flag to indicate that
the issue was if the ball was grounded before that, the referee rules on tries and did so as he had the opinion it had been grounded before that (probably with the help of the ingoal judge - i think the term in goal shows what he is there for and what he is there to assist/rule on)
it is common for a TJ to raise the flag to indicate the ball or player are in touch but a preceding incident in the field of play mean the referee awards a decision based on that, its not overruling the TJ in those incidents or this one'"
No, I am not missing this at all and yours is a very valid argument and I did make it myself already in my other posts.
If he says he clearly saw the ball being grounded BEFORE entering touch in-goal then to be fair he should have just ruled that BUT people are reporting he consulted the in-goal judge before awarding the try and didn't speak to the touch judge at all! MjM reports that he asked the in-goal touch judge for confirmation of the location of the touch-down, not actually whether he agreed with him because he signalled (by standing still) that it was a try in his opinion. As I said, surprise, surprise... that is what I would have said if I was him as well!
The things is, we are getting into detailed technicalities and strict literal definitions of the wordings of the laws. Thaler's mistake IMO was not to actual bring both the touch judge & in-goal judge together, have a chat and then make a ruling.
Of course, it doesn't help that we all seem to agree that the touch judge appears to be right and that Thaler (and the in-goal judge) appear to be wrong.
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| it was still a crap wrong decision no matter what bull he comes out with
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| Watching it back on the iplayer, the only person that thought it was a try was Ben Thaler.
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| Quote: Charlieboo "Watching it back on the iplayer, the only person that thought it was a try was Ben Thaler.'"
and in the goal judge
dont forget him
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ouch that hurt.... oh its broken: |
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| shall we not mention smiths forward pass later in the game and his look round to see if anyone else picked it up then
ya know the one we scored from
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| Quote: SniffA "shall we not mention smiths forward pass later in the game and his look round to see if anyone else picked it up then
ya know the one we scored from'"
The difference is, we touched the ball to score
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ouch that hurt.... oh its broken: |
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| its a slight difference
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| Quote: SniffA "its a slight difference'"
one which according to Thaler you dont need to score a try
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| I guess what I'm saying is your right
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| No try for me either - i cant see how the officials came to the decision at all
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25511_1478008518.jpg "Well, I think in Rugby League if you head butt someone there's normally some repercusions":d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_25511.jpg |
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| Quote: tvoc "They all got the decision wrong IMO.
It appeared to be a 'No Try' as far as I could tell from the footage available via the Super League Show coverage. That deals with the in goal judge and the referee but for me the touch judge also made the wrong call in indicating a re-start on the twenty as Smith appeared the last player to touch the ball in the field of play.'"
Just looked at it on SLTV. It's not the best view but it's a heck of a lot clearer than the in goal judge could ever have seen. I agree, looks like Smith gets the last touch, but the touch judge has the best view by a long way. I have no idea how the in goal judge sees a try and the touch judge doesn't.
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