I think there have been may people who have used the phrase "blood to water" in relation to Jamie Peacock.

As for Bailey, I stand by my point, he makes the team every week. So either the coach doesn't know what he's on about, or some posters on here don't.

You could draw a line under this thread now.

Sadly, i suspect fekkwitted opposition fans (and a few of our own) won't.

No. Let them form a queue to demonstrate their no-nowt-ness.

James Graham stats for 2009


Shirt number 10
Appearances 4
Tries 2
Try assists 0
Goals 0
Drop Goals 0
Meters 768
Carries 106
Tackles 113
Offloads 5
Attacking Kicks 0
Runs from dummy half 0
Tackle Busts 8
Marker tackles 9
Clean Breaks 0
Forty twenty 0
Kicks in general play 0
Missed goals 0
Missed tackles 2
Errors 3
Penalties 2
Red cards 0
Yellow cards 0


Ryan Baileys stats for 2009


10 Position
16 Shirt number
4 Appearances
0 Tries
1 Try assists
0 Goals
0 Drop Goals
359 Meters
55 Carries
82 Tackles
2 Offloads
0 Attacking Kicks
0 Runs from dummy half
7 Tackle Busts
10 Marker tackles
2 Clean Breaks
0 Forty twenty
0 Kicks in general play
0 Missed goals
3 Missed tackles
1 Errors
6 Penalties
0 Red cards
0 Yellow cards

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Tony Puletua stats

Position 13
Shirt number 0
Appearances 4
Tries 2
Try assists 0
Goals 0
Drop Goals 0
Meters 554
Carries 67
Tackles 113
Offloads 13
Attacking Kicks 1
Runs from dummy half 2
Tackle Busts 15
Marker tackles 6
Clean Breaks 2
Forty twenty 0
Kicks in general play 1
Missed goals 0
Missed tackles 5
Errors 3
Penalties 2
Red cards 0
Yellow cards

As you predicted, here's the first fekkwitt to arrive, just above me.

As proven by the stats above. Ryan Bailey is average at best. Even Bryn Hargreaves can compare to him.

Bryn Hargreaves stats


Position 10
Shirt number 15
Appearances 5
Tries 0
Try assists 0
Goals 0
Drop Goals 0
Meters 313
Carries 51
Tackles 109
Offloads 2
Attacking Kicks 0
Runs from dummy half 0
Tackle Busts 0
Marker tackles 18
Clean Breaks 0
Forty twenty 0
Kicks in general play 0
Missed goals 0
Missed tackles 4
Errors 3
Penalties 1
Red cards 0
Yellow cards

G1. I think we are supposed to work this out ourselves. I think the author is making some kind of subliminal point that can only be worked out via the application of varying degrees of statistical nous.

Or there is a demonstration of fundamental tism. One of the two.

He's convinced me. The St Helen's players are clearly all superior to ours. Just like the Wigan fans were telling us about the superiority of their players before last friday.

It amazes me the shower of e running around in Blue and Amber keep winning these championships.

Either that or, as you say, Ashmeister has demonstrated fundamental fekkwittism, yet again.

To be fair i was comparing him to Saints players because they're players i watch. Bryn Hargreaves is a plodder, i'm not making him out to be any good. The fact is thou that this plodder is running along line with the same stats as Ryan Bailey.

All you've shown is that bailey made just under half the meter's graham made with 51 less carries,he made more clean breaks than graham,less errors and 31 less tackles.
Bailey conceded more penalties than graham but none of them cost us the match.
So going by that his stats aren't as bad as you've tried to make out especially the meter's per carry.

Someone should also point out that TVOC has conclusively proved Opta stats as totally unreliable.

Therefore we're not accepting them as evidence around here of anything any more.

We'll have to base our assessment of Bailey vs the Saints props on a more subjective basis. Like how they perform against each other in Grand Finals and the like.

I'd point this out directly but I am ignoring the fekkwitt troll.

God call on the stats,i'm surprised he didn't realise that bailey's stats as he posted them stood up well to graham's.

If only you knew.

Which part?

The bit about him being as tough as his dad?