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Quote: ArthurClues "What happened to a short pass to a prop at full steam when restarting after a penalty? Now we seem to lob an innacurate 20 yard pass to somebody standing still in midfield. I'm no coaching expert but it seems to kill momentum straight away.'"

Spot on. At various times our passing line was stood still. Sitting ducks for the saints quick aggressive tackling line speed. Credit to saints that aspect of play was excellent. For me the turning point of the game was the saints try on the stroke of halftime. Poor defending it was a literal walk in.

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Quote: ArthurClues "What happened to a short pass to a prop at full steam when restarting after a penalty? Now we seem to lob an innacurate 20 yard pass to somebody standing still in midfield. I'm no coaching expert but it seems to kill momentum straight away.'"

Yeah I really don't like it, you don't stretch a team with long floated passes, 2 pass plays off the tap can be effective but I'd use that first play to either engage defenders, create momentum or both.

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Quote: Seth "Yeah I really don't like it, you don't stretch a team with long floated passes, 2 pass plays off the tap can be effective but I'd use that first play to either engage defenders, create momentum or both.'"

Yep. Also makes prop forwards feel prop forwards. Some of ours look a bit confused.

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Quote: Backwoodsman "Spot on. At various times our passing line was stood still. Sitting ducks for the saints quick aggressive tackling line speed. Credit to saints that aspect of play was excellent. For me the turning point of the game was the saints try on the stroke of halftime. Poor defending it was a literal walk in.'"

Yet our coach sees things differently he said we lost the game on the bounce of the ball?

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It was only a 4 point loss it’s not the Apocalypse… could have gone the other way fairly easily but just a frustrating and error-ridden performance again. We let them rattle us.

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Welsby was the difference IMO. Maybe we should turn Newman into a FB to get more out of him.

Our forwards should have ripped into Saints and set a platform but it didn't happen. With their big men missing you have to wonder why we didn't do better with three props on the bench.

That aside, Saints weren't all that hot apart from a couple of good lines from Welsby. We seem to be missing that extra bit of strike to finish off some of these close games.

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Well RS has done it again - we had a new tactic last night . Following on from the list of failed tactics from RS - passive defence , no line speed , messing up the hooking position , playing players in the wrong position, being unable to get our kickers to kick consistently on the 5th tackle etc , he came up with an absolute belter last night - The PASSIVE ATTACK !!
We line up across the field and all stand flat footed ( do not run onto the ball ) and pass the ball across the field and the final player to get the ball gets crunched - what a genius.
Against a Sts team there for the taking , he finds a way for us to lose again.
The only thing left is for RS to get a Non Passive kick up the as he collects his P45 on Monday morning .

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Quote: ArthurClues "What happened to a short pass to a prop at full steam when restarting after a penalty? Now we seem to lob an innacurate 20 yard pass to somebody standing still in midfield. I'm no coaching expert but it seems to kill momentum straight away.'"

Couldn't agree more, frustrates me every time we do it, havnt yet seen anything positive come from doing it, bizarre

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Quote: ArthurClues "What happened to a short pass to a prop at full steam when restarting after a penalty? Now we seem to lob an innacurate 20 yard pass to somebody standing still in midfield. I'm no coaching expert but it seems to kill momentum straight away.'"


It’s to get the ball to the middle of the pitch and to test the defender split either side of the PTB, something most teams do. obviously better if the passing is accurate and someone’s running onto it

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Quote: Boots "Well RS has done it again - we had a new tactic last night . Following on from the list of failed tactics from RS - passive defence , no line speed , messing up the hooking position , playing players in the wrong position, being unable to get our kickers to kick consistently on the 5th tackle etc , he came up with an absolute belter last night - The PASSIVE ATTACK !!
We line up across the field and all stand flat footed ( do not run onto the ball ) and pass the ball across the field and the final player to get the ball gets crunched - what a genius.
Against a Sts team there for the taking , he finds a way for us to lose again.
The only thing left is for RS to get a Non Passive kick up the booty as he collects his P45 on Monday morning .'"


It’s crazy that you and probably others think Smith is telling the players to not run with intensity icon_lol.gif this isn’t something you need to coach either, it’s basic rugby, I’d put this on the players

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I’d also put most of it on the players, they are individually responsible for it. Collectively, and over time, it’s the coach that is responsible as he sets the acceptable standards and has to get players to perform or they are replaced. Smith is far from solely to blame, but he’s not without blame either.

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And yet he is still preparing a squad which he mostly inherited and wasn’t performing well enough previously.

He has added MacDonald, McDonnell as first team players and they are good - without having much room at all on the cap.

We have also moved on some dead wood under him which we needed to do.

I want to see him sweep more away this year and really start to stamp his mark on the side / then we can judge better.

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Quote: batleyrhino "I’d also put most of it on the players, they are individually responsible for it. Collectively, and over time, it’s the coach that is responsible as he sets the acceptable standards and has to get players to perform or they are replaced. Smith is far from solely to blame, but he’s not without blame either.'"


And he got those standard against Wire and Hudds, and I’m sure he won’t be happy that they dropped the standards last night.

Who do you replace them with tho? Donaldson? Academy players? Are they ready to step up? We don’t seem to have much strength in depth

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Quote: leedsbarmyarmy "And he got those standard against Wire and Hudds, and I’m sure he won’t be happy that they dropped the standards last night.

Who do you replace them with tho? Donaldson? Academy players? Are they ready to step up? We don’t seem to have much strength in depth'"


The “they’re not ready” line is a bit of a nonsense to me. No player who has debuted has ever been ready, they will make mistakes but will develop faster with first team exposure than without. Perhaps more importantly it’s critical to signal to those who under perform that they don’t have any pressure on them. Can you imagine if a senior player is serially underperforming and is replaced for a game or two by a kid, is there a better way to kick them up the butt and let everyone know that they haven’t been achieving the required levels?

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Quote: christopher "Apart from Welsby so was Saints, Dodd has gone dramatically downhill he was terrible'"


I agree but Saints were there for the taking. Smith and O’Connor were very poor.

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