my point was that Wigan last year were not a great side, they had flickerings of a decent one, but couldnt win away from home and put in some pretty poor performances. How can this LLS be so difficult to win if it can be won by a team who wins 4 away games all year?
Youre point was that the super 8s and the additional fixtures make winning the LLS more difficult to win, but as we proved, a side doesnt need to be the best in the super 8s to win the LLS, a side can win thee games in the first 23 rounds and then, for instance, only win 4 of 7 in the super 8s.

"Similar" being the operative word. How many had a challenge cup semi final and final to contend with? Certainly not Wigan or Huddersfield. We had no rest. How many had to go to Catalans away? How many teams lost vital playmakers to injury (Aiton, Burrow)? All highly significant points.

Equally more subjectively, how many of the 2007,8,9,10,11,12,13,14 games were "dead rubbers" for the top, say, 8 teams? Which teams in previous years were serving up some absolute dross?

If Wakefield were a free 4 points in 2015 (they got 6 points from 23 games), what does that make London in 2014 (2 points from 27 games)?

There are invariably statistics that can back either side of most cases, but one thing is a matter of fact (as I stated in a previous post):
Just on the basis of logic, to play only 11 teams home & away (the 2 weakest from 2014 having been kicked out of the league), then to play the top 7 thereafter once (home or away) has got to be more difficult than playing 13 teams home & away - surely?

What??? Wigan gained 41 points from 30 league games (exactly the same as Leeds as it happens). WTF does their away form have to do with anything? In fact, by that logic Leeds should not have won the LLS due to their abysmal home form! (Haven't checked, but I'm assuming that we won more than 4 away games )

no doubt it is harder to do the treble, i readily admit that. I think it is far harder to do the treble for the simple reason there are more games.

Im talking specifically about the LLS, and each teams run was as similar as it is possible for them to be.

We are talking about 2013 not 2014, and yes London were terrible in 2014. However in 2013 London had 12 points from 27 games.

Regardless, i accept that other peoples subjective opinions may differ, however the point argued before was that the structure made it harder to win, If the answer is it was more difficult to win because of a subjective opinion on the relative strengths of the leagues, we just have different opinions on that. Im simply disagreeing that the super 8s make it more difficult to win the LLS.

Where did i mention the treble? I'm not talking about the treble. The cup semi final and Final affected our LLS win because we had that to contend with during the super 8's. Our run in wasn't similar to Wigan or Huddersfield because we had 2 extra games to play. Without the super 8's, we win the LLS comfortably. The league table said so. Can't argue with facts, son

I think I will leave it there - I have seen the lengths you will go to on previous threads & I am losing the will.

Let's just agree that you think it's easier (or at least as easy) to win the LLS under the new format, whereas I believe it is more difficult now.

It would be interesting to ask Rhinos players playing in 2007-2014 & 2015 which they found more difficult as I guess they would know more than most.

i think you have misunderstood what i was saying. I agree entirely it was more difficult for us to win the LLS last year compared to Wigan and Hudds last year because we played more games (due to us winning the CC). I disagree it is harder to just win the LLS this year compared to previous years.

I could just as easily suggest that this points to a challenging season, in so far as one of the best teams, with no CC run to speak of, was unable to muster victories at will.

I've seen a number of players and coaches say throughout the year that the new structure made the league a much tougher and intense competition. Talk about how you need to be on it every week whereas teams often talked about peaking at certain points during the old format. Peacock for one talked about how the previous years lacked in intensity......still what does Peacock know eh?

I've no idea what anybody is on about on this thread any more.

And another one bored into submission. Smokey's relentless.