Not what I said. But if the club announced they'd signed a top notch centre to replace sutty and then released the news it was Toby King...underwhelmed is probably the word. Holmes huffs and puffs, granted. We've got similar of our own.

And if we paid what Warrington had reportedly paid to keep King thered be a load of moaning on here.

Holmes V Martin? Id prefer Martin his goal kicking is a massive plus too, the only thing holmes would be an upgrade on is our quota places

Think Holmes' workrate would far outweigh Rhyse's to be fair.

King is massively overrated. The only King I’d want is called Vuniyawawa!

We’ve got enough workman like ‘middles’ Martin offers a bit more than that IMO

Holmes isnt a middle hes a 2nd rower and a pretty good one. Hes more consistent than Rhyse will ever be.

He is pretty good, I prefer Martin and what he brings.

The middles was tongue in cheek.

never mind the state of the club the state of the game is awful. saints and Catalan apart the rest are garbage. I cant be bothered watching anymore.
sadly the games dying because the standard is terrible

this has been said since 1895.

Viewing figures up, most coverage the game has ever had including fantastic coverage from Channel 4 (the game on Saturday was excellent)

The game isn't dying at all.

Looks like he's hanging on then...

Never in doubt, I’m not even sure if GH will act should we be in 12th following the Saints game.

That aged well

Those of us of a certain age can remember going a long time between drinks I.E between successful periods . The early part of this century our main rivals turned out to be Saints there was really nothing between the two teams . St Helens have had relative continuity we nearly got relegated. They must have done something right regarding team building

The biggest thing that I look at to see how far we’ve fallen is the quality of player we have now versus our golden period. With the exception of Mik Oledzki and Harry Newman (perhaps) I’m struggling to think of a single player we have in the current squad who would make the squads from around 2004-2012 or so. People might make a case for the odd player here or there, but this shows me how far we’ve fallen on the field.

I get that the overall quality of player in SL has fallen too, but if we’d had the right coaching and recruitment I’m certain we would have seen a blip in success rather than falling off a cliff edge like we did.