Is that the criteria, Does that make it acceptable? If your tough enough to slag someone off to there face, your ok to do it on social media? How about, if your crossing the line from commenting on a players performance on the field to making personal comments about them, then it shouldnt be happening atall, regardless of wether you'd say it to there face or not.

We need freedom of speech, there just needs to be some consequence to what is said, that's all....

Whats the consequence? Im not sure what side of this debate your on, at first i thought you were dead against players getting personal abuse on social media, now its coming across as you think its ok as long as your tough enough to give your mouth off to there face aswel. Not for me, if your crossing the line into personal abuse of a player, being willing to say it to there face dosnt make it any more acceptable.

Who's talkinh about abuse? Your getting the wrong end if the stick completely. You can criticise players performances, just like anybody can criticise ourselves. Needs to be respectful. Your twisting my comments dude completely!!

I personally don't see the need or right to even criticise a players performance. They and the club will know if player hasn't performed and it's up to them to address. Don't see any benefit of fans saying things on social media, especially when you see the player being tagged in.

Do you ever criticise players/coaches? (Your post history suggests otherwise)

Player A was good,player B was bad is part of the attraction of any sport.Fans like to talk about it at home, work,social media and forums.With out that theres very little left to talk about.

I think it's different doing it on here, where its highly unlikely the players and coaches visit, than doing it on social media

I dont know, as a dedicated site I think in the past weve had a few stop by and browse.

Anyhoo, ATEOTD I'll stick my neck out and say the majority of fans / supporters etc just want what's best and expect the team / individuals to be a bit more perfect than they actually can be. They have off days, have life troubles / issues that can effect them that we are not privy to and nor should we be. They are human just like me and you but they have to deal with theirs under the glare of media, I couldnt handle that myself.

Frustration leads to certain outbursts and things may be said in the heat of the moment that in retrospect, you more than likely dont mean and as I said before, once you post......
You'll generally find multitudes of reactionary posts around the games as thats just the way we are as a species, some positive, some negative, some just there to stir the pot.

Thats not to say that tagging players / coaches / teams in to posts to just slag them off with foul mouthed abuse for the "thrill" of trolling is acceptable, frankly I find that the lowest of the low, there's a few who go on the official Leeds FB site and the only reason for posting is to rile people up (not my cup of tea) but if thats whats yous wants... fill your boots. I left that cesspit years ago.

Exactly.

A seminal moment on Twitter was when a mate of mine posted a picture of a shambles of a UKIP candidate for Swindon borough council who had been caught making pretty obnoxious sexist comments about Labour MP Jess Phillips (which he claimed were "jokes"icon_wink.gif and I thought it was ironic considering that facists can't seem to get a suit that fits. Oh boy, did I get some response to that. "So you always judge people by their appearance then....etc...etc". I don't think I've ever told more people to f*** o** in a single hour before or since.

Rugby is simply entertainment - if the fans don't feel like the entertainment is up to scratch surely they are entitled to say so or are you saying is the club and all its employees beyond criticism?

No point having fans otherwise - commenting on the game and its participants is the lifeblood of the sport. Or can we only comment on the good stuff?

I've got to say, I think it's a strange idea that players shouldn't be criticized. Absolutely 100% on board it should not be personal, but if you're paid to do a job in a public arena, scrutiny by the public who pay your bills comes with the territory.

Ultimately, fans are being paid to be entertained. Being able to cheer and boo is all part of the pantomime of sport. In the interview on Out of Your League with James Childs, even he said he's not bothered with crowds booing him as long as it's not a personal attack. At least players will be praised if they do something good unlike a ref!

In RL, you are getting the chance to be paid to do the job you love. At it's heights you could be playing for your country or in a packed crowd of 80k at Old Trafford. At the opposite end you could get injured or simply not be good enough and get booed. Being a pro-sportsman is taking that risk on voluntarily. 80k cheering for an amazing performance, or fans booing if you're not up to it. The best players will back themselves and be able to channel out the crowd altogether.

It's a similar conversation when players were saying that relegation put their livelihoods at risk. I don't get it! If you're good enough, you'll get a new contract, if not, the sport doesn't owe you a living, put contingency plans in place accordingly! If I were no good at my job I'd lose it!

Wise words and and well said.

It is entertainment, it's just a game at the end of the day. I love rugby and love Leeds, but I've realised that in reality has little impact on what happens in my life. So for me, if it's a bad performance, I'll talk to mates on a WhatsApp group, might put the odd message on here, but I don't feel the need to put any criticism on social media for the world and that player to see.

Ultimately, the people affected by a bad performance are the players and staff at the club. So I'm happy to leave it to them to deal with and address. Guess this discussion goes beyond rugby and is about the whole place of social media, but that's not for this time or place.

As an example, I just feel that seeing things like the criticism that's on Twitter at the moment about McClelland for not being good enough, is just unnecessary. A young player who is trying to make his way in the game, what benefit does it bring to him or the club to see people saying that about him? I remember reading in someone's sport biography that players, whilst appreciating the fans, also find them to be buffoons because they/we don't know the intricaciesof what they do. And the point stuck with me. Of course we have our opinions, but I don't think I'm qualified to criticise a player in public. I don't know him or know the impact it will have. The only person I think should be doing that is his coach who should know if it would be a motivator for him.

It would be interesting to know what impact it does actually have on players when they see things on social media. Maybe I'm off the mark.

^ great post

Take Martin, he’s been criticised for his performances this year (written off by some) and see his interview on the Leeds site, he’s said his performances have fallen short of his own standards and needs to improve, bearing in mind hes had covid and has serious asthma it’s probably not surprising he’s been below par.

I don’t think players or refs for that matter expect no criticism from fans espeyon a board such as this, its when criticism turns into personal attacks where it crosses the line, having said that Im not sure why anyone would feel the need to directly have a go at a player by tagging them on social media